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Meoff_69
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - 01:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So I have been trying to find the part # for the oil filter for these bikes. I can not seem to find it anywhere. Does anyone have the #?

I need to change the oil in the bike and this is holding me up.
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D_adams
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - 05:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1125 oil filter, K&N-564 = same thing. I have 3 left myself.

http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/parts-accesso ries/engine/1125-k-n-oil-filter.html
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - 06:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just for the benefit of future errant web searchers . . . are you saying that the 1125 filter works for the 1190 models?

That, of course, is NOT indicated on the EBR website and it'd be good . . . when folks find this in a search . . . if you can confirm fitment.
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Meoff_69
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - 06:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I dont understand why i cant find it in the owners manual.. am i missing something? it has what oil you need and how much.

thanks for the info btw

(Message edited by meoff_69 on September 23, 2014)
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Dmhines
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - 06:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1190 uses same filter as 1125. I used a K&N when I did the first oil change. It is not listed in the owners manual.


(Message edited by dmhines on September 23, 2014)
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D_adams
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - 08:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)





I don't know that I actually took pics of my 1125 oil filter change, but yes, physically they're the same size. I'm going on the ASSUMPTION that the flow rate and filtration is equivalent between the 1190 and 1125.
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1125cr
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - 08:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.as p?idProduct=61877
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Redbuelljunkie
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - 03:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

K&N utilized HIFLO filters for years- simply having them add a drilled/welded nut on the top of the canister and printing the K&N logo on it. Even the numbers were the same- simply replace "HF" with "KN" before the filter number. K&N now sources filters from China, so HIFLO introduced their "RC" (Racing Canister) line of filters which are, literally, a K&N filter without the K&N logo on it- for HALF the price of a K&N.

HIFLO is quality stuff, and our #1 selling filter. Why pay double for the same thing with a different name?!
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Argentcorvid
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2014 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Its the same deal with NAPA filters and WIX.
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Bob_thompson
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2014 - 02:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've been using these, (see link), for quite a few years now with excellent results and absolutely no problems and I reuse the "o" ring on the filter housing and both of the sealer washers on the plugs. I have extra washers but being careful and torquing the plugs exactly with an inch# torque wrench. AF1 are a good quality company and very reputable.

"www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idpro duct=7770"
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Skntpig
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2014 - 11:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court,

Are you saying the 1125 filter won't work on an 1190? I don't have one but want to inform my friend why it's unsafe for the motor or incorrect technically and not simply wrong politically.

Unfortunately he has had his bike for many months but the service manual has only been introduced to the dealers so you are as close to "the word" as we can get from EBR.

He rides on the track and his local dealer doesn't stock race tires so he gets to guess on torque values for wheels etc. based on the 1125 book. He would also like to change his oil more often than he wants to pay the dealer, to change the oil, based on the multiple hundreds of dollars the first service cost.

I know the first service is more than changing oil but when he asked the tech if he looked at the oil screen the tech didn't know there was one. I'm know pulling the screen isn't part of an oil change but there a lot to see the first time you pull it on an 1125.

Please help me understand. PS....saving my pennies : )
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1313
Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2014 - 12:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

but the service manual has only been introduced to the dealers

A service manual exists? As of when? My intent is not to bust chops for the timing, just clamoring - like a lot of others - for that information.

guess on torque values for wheels etc. based on the 1125 book

For chassis or, more accurately, anything not powertrain related, the pdf posted on AF1 Racing's EBR Forum lists torque specs for nearly everything. It was linked here in a thread before.

HTH,
1313
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Skntpig
Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2014 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe I'm confused. I thought he said they had a dealer login where they had a digital FSM. Hmmm
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Rodrob
Posted on Friday, September 26, 2014 - 12:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The 1190RS uses the same filter as the 1125R. There is a parts book and service manual for the 1190RS. Where the RX and SX share parts with the RS, the torque values will be the same.
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Court
Posted on Friday, September 26, 2014 - 07:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>There is a parts book and service manual for the 1190RS.

Where . . do you think . . a person could find such a thing?

I have every Buell parts and service manual since 1987 and would love to get my hands on one. Dealers don't seem to be aware of them.
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Meoff_69
Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2014 - 03:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So i changed my oil today....

First off the oil drain plug and kickstand do not work well together lol. I eneded up using a ratchet strap to hold the bike up so i could keep the kickstand up so the oil didnt pour onto it lol

second when i was checking for leaks as i was filling with oil i noticed there was a hole that looked like a bolt should be there. In the picture if you look below the oil drain plug you can see it. It appears to be part of the kickstand assembly. If anyone that has one of these bikes can check to see if i should have a bolt there i would appreciate it.

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D_adams
Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2014 - 06:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That bolt is for the exhaust, not the kickstand itself. Mine has one there.

You'd be better served with a rear wheel stand to do service work like this. Also, it would have been a very good idea to pull the exhaust off and drop the screen on the other side to check for any debris, just like on an 1125.

When the video service manual (eventually) becomes available, it will most likely show dropping the exhaust to do the oil change, but that's just a guess on my part. I did so on every oil change on my 1125 to check for bits that shouldn't be there, like the cam chain tensioner plastic or any other parts that showed early fatigue.
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Froggy
Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2014 - 07:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

I eneded up using a ratchet strap to hold the bike up so i could keep the kickstand up so the oil didnt pour onto it lol




On my 1125s I just put the kickstand in the drain bucket, the kickstand acts like a funnel, give a quick wipedown when you are done, now it is rustproof for the season : )
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Noone1569
Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2014 - 09:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That bolt came out on mine and was the suspected reason of my header cracking btw.
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Dmhines
Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2014 - 10:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Better go check mine!
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D_adams
Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2014 - 10:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It was a rust proof kickstand prior to getting coated in oil, it's aluminum.
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Dmhines
Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2014 - 05:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I do not have a Bolt in that location .. just a hole like yours. Assembly Line issue??
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Meoff_69
Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2014 - 02:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

D_adams... I didn't know anything about this screen your talking about. I followed the owners manual on how to change the oil. with a rear wheel stand does all the oil drain out? I thought it needed to lean either way to get all the oil out.


this "missing" bolt... should i be concerned enough to put a bolt in there?
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Dmhines
Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2014 - 04:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I found a bolt in my bolt bucket that fit and put a bolt in mine.
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D_adams
Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2014 - 04:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is an 1125, screen is in the same spot. Directly above the exhaust clamp in this pic, there's a small plate with 5 screws in it. The screen is inside there, above the plate/cover.

There's not quite 1/2 quart of oil in there, but close. There's also a plug right next to it that you can drain a good bit of the oil as well from that galley, but I just remove the screen.

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Rodrob
Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2014 - 01:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Where . . do you think . . a person could find such a thing?

PM me.
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Meoff_69
Posted on Monday, September 29, 2014 - 12:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks D_adams.

the manual does say to drain oil out from that port as well. I wonder how much oil i would loose if i checked that screen now?
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Dmhines
Posted on Monday, September 29, 2014 - 09:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I did not know there was a screen on the 1190. I know Ducati's have a pre-filter screen that is supposed to be cleaned with every oil change.

Someday we will have a real Service Manual I hope.
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Crusty
Posted on Monday, September 29, 2014 - 10:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have to laugh about all the consternation over a Service Manual. I own a Moto Guzzi Norge. I bet the service manual for a Buell 1125 is more helpful for working on an EBR 1190 than the Factory Moto Guzzi Norge SM is for working on my bike.
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Bob_thompson
Posted on Monday, September 29, 2014 - 11:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I believe its very important to check the oil filter screen, pictured in Deans(Adams), photos at least every other oil change as it collects any debris from broken parts in the engine, such as cam chain tensioners, etc, preventing them from getting to the oil pump causing more problems and which would be a sign of something that might need immediate attention. Also why put in new oil and have it somewhat contaminated by the 10 oz. or so of old oil. Bob
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D_adams
Posted on Monday, September 29, 2014 - 02:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In a pinch, you could use an 1125 service manual to at least get you going in the right direction, provided you're mechanically inclined. From there, if you need torque specs, clearances or whatever, email tech2@ebr.com for specifics.
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Gregtonn
Posted on Monday, September 29, 2014 - 02:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ridiculous to have gone this long without a service manual.
I would never have guessed that Erik would allow it.

G
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, September 29, 2014 - 04:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

It was a rust proof kickstand prior to getting coated in oil, it's aluminum.




With the crap they put on the roads during NY winters, even plastic can rust!
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Rodrob
Posted on Monday, September 29, 2014 - 09:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

To clarify my previous statement, there is an engine and chassis parts book in PDF form, with notations about torque values and order and thread locker use etc., and there are service videos for the 1190RS. One might not consider this a "service manual", or one might.
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Skntpig
Posted on Monday, September 29, 2014 - 09:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Let's see these service vids...
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Skntpig
Posted on Monday, September 29, 2014 - 09:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am going to guess you got something with your RS that hasn't been released to the public or many other owners.
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - 07:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>One might not consider this a "service manual", or one might.

Since it appears to be as public, or available to owners, as the NATO submarine launch codes . . . . one may never know.
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Rodrob
Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2014 - 01:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I got this a while after the fact. I bought my RS when there were virtually no dealers and I was racing it so it might be a pre-release version.
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