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Williamscottrobertson
Posted on Monday, July 10, 2017 - 11:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you buy one from him and it doesn't leak, I wouldn't bother to send it to racetech. His stuff looks NOS. I would think you could get a good bit of service out of it before it would need rebuilding. They all need rebuilt eventually, however I've heard of people getting 40k miles on a Showa.

I looked at the twin motorcycle shock but it was going to be almost $700 after shipping and currency conversion. $300 more and you're in Works territory who have parts and service in the US.

Discussion here: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/47623/800369.html

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Williamscottrobertson
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 12:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Now I'm seeing 588 Euro ~ $670 current on exchange.



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Sbaugz
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 07:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you contact them direct, the shiipping is only 40 euro, so total price shipped is only $614 US. WP shock is $999 plus shipping so it's a $400 difference. Probably will just order the twin shock and be done with it. Throw my Showa on eBay and maybe get a few bucks for that to offset price.
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Oopezoo
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 08:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Great looking bike.

The exhaust and suspension are the last big things I need to sort out on my S1 as well. I also have a Borla can on it. It sounds great, runs even better, but damn its loud (to me). I'd be interested to see some pics of how the Borla muffler can is/was mounted if you don't mind. Or at least what your plan is to get it mounted. Mine was a mess when I bought it, so I've had to figure out how to mount it from scratch and I haven't been successful yet. Each time gets a little better, but I keep breaking the mounting straps from the can to the bike.

I'm finishing up reassembly after replacing all 3 motor/frame isolators, so I'm about to attempt to tackle the exhaust again.

Ebutch......you said about hooking the rear of the Borla up to the Z-bracket. How? The race shoe makes sense if I can find one, but I think my Borla can is too short to make the Z-bracket possible. I ended up using a P-clamp between the can and pipe exit, with a few fabbed up muffler hanger straps up to the Z-bracket mounting point on the underside of the bike. Would love to see a pic if you have one mounted and working.
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Upthemaiden
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 08:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The general consensus with the Twin Motorcycles shocks is that they're not nearly as good as the Works or Penske, but they're still really good for normal street riding, and are worlds above any of the OEM shocks. I've heard nothing but good things about them, and most people say it feels like a whole new bike.

I have the same shock you do. I'm just riding the bike and enjoying it for now. Mine doesn't look anywhere in as good of shape as yours, but it still works fine. I assume I'll replace it someday, but assume I'll have to just suck it up and spend the money on the Twin shock. I can't bring myself to spend $200-300 on another Buell shock that's going to leak again someday. If I'm spending the money, I want piece of mind knowing it's going to last. I'm in the same position as you though, I spent $2500 on my bike, just wouldn't make sense to spent another $1000 on a rear shock.
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Oopezoo
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 09:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sbaugz......I'm assuming thats your Borla that just popped up on Ebay? That looks like the same shape mine was in when I got it. Front mount broken off, rear mount rigged up, road rash underneath from the mounts failing.

Really wish my S1 had the 2.5" header on it so I would have more options. I have two good condition 2" headers, but its a bitch trying to find a matching muffler for them.
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Ebutch
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 12:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Keith:Use 2 of these back of Borla to attach from back to z bracket P clamps

RACE BRACKET FOR FRONT
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Oopezoo
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 01:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks, thats essentially what I used on the rear of the muffler this last time. Instead of the race shoe on the front, I used another P-clamp with a centered mounting tab to go up to the improved upside down Y-mount. It was rock solid, but it ended up breaking all 3 of the P clamps right where the curved section bends into the mounting tab. That took about 1000 miles for it happen.

I'm going to get a race shoe from Dean Adams, 2 new offset P-clamps for the rear, and try again.
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Ebutch
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 01:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Use race shoe in front with adj hose clamp and Ps in back mine didn't brake.

(Message edited by ebutch on July 11, 2017) My guess you had too much wiggle room in front !

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Sbaugz
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 01:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes that's mine. I'm not sure I want to sell which is why im asking a lot. I figure I'll throw it on eBay and see what happens. If you look at the borla sales advertisement picture on my auction, you will see that it did not have a front mount and the rear mount it's very similar to mine. I thought I heard that that early models of this exhaust did not even have a front mount? I was guessing that mine was an early version.
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Sbaugz
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I also have an update regarding my shock situation. I contacted ohlins and they do not make shocks for this. I also contacted YSS and they partner with Wilber's who will make them for the S3. Price is a mind blowing $2000

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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 02:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"I spent $2500 on my bike, just wouldn't make sense to spent another $1000 on a rear shock"

Or, you could look at it this way:

"I spent $2500 on my bike, so I can afford to buy a really nice shock for it, and still only have $3500 in it. What a bargain for a classic Buell : )
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Sbaugz
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 02:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

that's a good point hootowl.

For me, the Twin motorcycles shock for $600 is looking better and better. For the level of riding that I am going to do with this bike, that would be more than adequate.
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Sbaugz
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 02:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here's the link to the Wilbers shock which is available thru YSS in the USA. $1900 plus shipping. Yikes!

https://www.wilbers-shop.de/en/Motorcycle/Buell/S3 -Thunderbolt-EB1/shock-absorber-type-631-Competiti on.html?cur=3?manufacturer=90va5e9063cf02e3d257fc5 aa794e499&year=1999&catname=5037a5e2b4d0fb53317e2d 348e63e9a4
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Oopezoo
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 02:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I researched the hell out of those Borla exhausts when I first got my S1. Mainly trying to get mine to not self destruct.

From what I found, the early ones had mounting tabs welded on the front and rear. Thats how mine started. Then they went to a welded tab in the front with a P-clamp in the rear. The last ones I found had no mount in the front but had a spring connecting the front of the muffler to something (could never find out exactly where) and a P-clamp in the rear. Obviously they had some issues and eventually bailed from manufacturing them entirely.

You guys with the 2.5" headers have a lot of options. Thats kind of my hangup since I have two perfectly good 2" headers sitting here. I really want to get this 2" Borla to work or I'm going to have to fork out $$$ for 2.5" header AND a matching muffler.
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Sbaugz
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 02:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

oopezoo, my Borla must be a newer one then because I have the welded tab up front with a spring. That's how my front was mounted. The rear has the P-clamp.
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Sbaugz
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 02:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

while on the topic of exhaust- my stock S3 exhaust silencer came today in the mail. The black is scratched off in a few places. What's underneath the black? Is it stainless? If so, I will strip off and leave it as stainless. If its plain steel, then I suppose repainting it is in order.

(Message edited by sbaugz on July 11, 2017)
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Ebutch
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 02:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Use in front 2 1/2" muff clamp with race shoe www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-4-Chrome-Muffler-Clamps-fo r-2-1-2-Pipes-on-Motorcycles-NEW-/291549046932?has h=item43e1ad6894:g:3L0AAOxydlFSvvZO&vxp=mtr
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Scott_in_nh
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 02:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have the same Borla on my S3.

As far as I can tell it was mounted on the bike when new as it was there when I bought the bike in '05 with about 5k on it.

I have the factory front exhaust mount and a mounting shoe as seen in the other post, with a single p clamp as shown above on the back.

I now have about 30k on the bike and have never had a problem with the exhaust other than 1 broken stud.
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S1owner
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 03:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Remember your not just buying a Shock with the Wilbers setup. Its the complete system that changes the setup from a pull dhock to a very nicy push shock. Then if you ever need a shock your choices are everywhere for less $$$
But if it was myself I would go with Twin Motogcycles shock. There are very few of us that utilize all the capabilities of a Penske and such




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Cyclone8u
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 08:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here's my homemade hack that's kept my Borla high & tight for about 16k miles.

Front


Rear


Front I made out of stainless, rear is regular steel as evident by rust forming. Sorry about the crud, but I'm in the middle of tearing her down for some much needed TLC and my "shop" (10x12 shed) gets awfully dusty this time of year...
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Oopezoo
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 08:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thats all really good input guys, and thanks for the pics. Its a little ghetto, but if its works, who am I to judge? Its better than the pile of parts in the garage I currently call my S1. Definitely tells me I'm close. Hopefully the 3rd time mounting it is the charm.
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Sbaugz
Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2017 - 08:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just ordered a new shock from Twin Motorcycles today. I contacted them directly and asked if they offered a forum discount. They dropped price 5%.
Total cost with shipping to USA was around $607 after currency conversion. Can't wait to get it. They said they need about a week to have one made.

On a sidenote, my stock Buell shock is on ebay currently. It looks brand new. no leakage. Hopefully it will sell and I can recoup a few bucks. I put the option of make offer on it. I would gladly take less from a forum member, or PM me and we can make a deal here.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/253040615084?ssPageName=ST RK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

(Message edited by sbaugz on July 12, 2017)
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Cyclone8u
Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2017 - 08:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Its a little ghetto, but if its works, who am I to judge?



Honestly I had every intention of prettiing it up, but riding really cut into my wrenching time. Now that I'm giving it a tear down I'll probably address some of these cosmetics, but part of me keeps saying "if it ain't broke..." The original mount broke within 1500 miles, then I started having issues keeping from loosing header nuts. Once I ditched the spring front mount and tied the front of the muffler to the engine (still using the factory rubber mount as a base) the Borla and header nuts have happily stayed attached ever since. I think the key to these bikes is to have everything shaking in unison : )

Sbaugz, can't wait to see pics of your bike with the new rear suspender... I think they're a sharp looking piece and look forward to hearing your opinion on how it rides.
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S1owner
Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2017 - 09:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pm me for a copy of Buellistics exhaust 101. It really helps properly align and secure any exhaust to these bikes
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Sbaugz
Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2017 - 08:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

thanks S1owner. Will keep an eye out for your e-mail.

Sold my stock shock for $150 on ebay. (maybe it went to a forum member)?

I also just dropped the price on my Borla on ebay and listed here for $210 in the for-sale section. Check it out if interested.

updated exhaust mounts are coming in the mail today, so plan on mounting up my stock exhaust that I picked up. I posted this question up earlier but maybe it got lost within the other posts. The stock exhaust has a black paint or coating on it. It has a few areas that are worn away. It almost looks stainless underneath. Does anyone know if the stock exhausts are steel or stainless underneath the black paint. I used a magnet and it sticks to the black part of the exhaust but I wasn't sure if it was sticking because the "guts" of the exhaust underneath are steel?
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S1owner
Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2017 - 09:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pretty sure if it is factory paint it is steel not stainless.
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Sbaugz
Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2017 - 09:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

that's too bad. Was hoping to remove paint and polish it up.
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Upthemaiden
Posted on Friday, July 14, 2017 - 10:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Didn't you say you were searching for a 2" exhaust, and had a few 2" exhaust headers? I saw the exhaust listed was 2.5". Did they have an adapter to fit the 2.5" exhaust on the 2" header, or am I getting some posts on the forum mixed up with each other?

If there was an adapter in there, I'd be curious to take a look at it. I'm always on the lookout for a stock exhaust for my S1 but the 2.5" exhausts seem much easier to come by.
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Oopezoo
Posted on Friday, July 14, 2017 - 10:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nope.....the 2" exhaust issue is mine, not the OP. I have a regular S1 with 2 perfectly good SS 2" headers, and a 2" Borla exhaust that I can't manage to mount without it breaking the mounting brackets every 500-1000 miles. The originals are long gone and have been ground off smooth, so I have to rig up my own P-clamps and mounting brackets for it.

2" exhaust cans for the S1 are rare as shit. Thats why I want to get this to work. If not, I'll be shopping for a 2.5" header AND and 2.5" can.....OUCH $$$

I'm working it out......sorry, didn't want to hijack the thread
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Upthemaiden
Posted on Friday, July 14, 2017 - 09:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Finding a 2.5 s-shaped header sounds worse than finding an exhaust. Hope it doesn't come to that!
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Oopezoo
Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2017 - 08:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thats true as well. I would seriously consider dropping the motor a little and/or denting a T header to make it fit the early frame of the S1. Not sure how feasible that is either......hopefully it doesn't come to that

Just ordered a race shoe from Dean Adams, a Z-bracket, 2 new offset P-clamps, and a new header to muffler clamp off of Ebay. Hopefully thats the end of it.
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Brother_in_buells
Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2017 - 09:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oopezoo ,did you have a look and read at this?
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/476 23/705131.html
That mounts is probably the best solution to your problem!
The picture shows a race header ,but this have to work on a stock header with elbow to!
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