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Dreadnaught1
Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2008 - 11:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does anyone know if it is possible to switch wheels from a newer lightning to a 2000 Cyclone Tuber. After examination. I think the rear would be easy maybe wheel plus caliper. Front would need fork, caliper and wheel. To get dual disks on the front and newer style wheel might be worth it.

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Djkaplan
Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2008 - 12:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"To get dual disks on the front and newer style wheel might be worth it."

Worth it if you choose style over substance. You'd lose half the benefits of what the ZTL system has to offer if you added another disc and caliper.

I'd love to try and adapt a ZTL wheel and front brake disc and caliper to an M2 fork, though. Definitely looking into the how's. I already have the why's.
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V74
Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2008 - 05:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i saw a X1 white lightening two years ago at the streetfighter show at santa pod,it had an XB front wheel and caliper,the fork lowers must have been machined to take the spindle,there was a bracket made to mount the caliper,so its possible,
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Littlebuggles
Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 04:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You might need to make a special spacer for the rear wheel too, seems like Sanchez had the xb wheels on his bike...
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Skinthead
Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You'd lose half the benefits of what the ZTL system has to offer if you added another disc and caliper.

What is the ZTL system? The brakes on my 2K M2 are kinda crappy, and wondering about some valve i was told about...

Skint
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Dreadnaught1
Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 02:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

After examination, It seems you could put a 2003-2008 front end on from an XB and gain the single ZTL system. Does anyone know if you can put a XB wheel and rotor on the rear and use the caliper or disk??
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Littlebuggles
Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 07:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Short answer is yes.
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Littlebuggles
Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 07:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Actually there are several who have done it, you might check the knowledge vault in the wheels and tires section. Seems like the stock tube rear brake works with the xb wheel, you need a custom spacer to make the drive side work.
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Rick_a
Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 02:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

You'd lose half the benefits of what the ZTL system has to offer if you added another disc and caliper.



You'd gain a brake system that suffers less from heat fade, and is more predictable and more durable under hard use.

The ZTL setup is nice for general street duty.
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Dreadnaught1
Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That is what I am after, this will be one of my upgrades for 2009, I will start to look for parts from an XB12 now. I think this and a Baker 6 will do it for next year.
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Werewulf
Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 01:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ive done a lot of searching, with no answers... doesnt anyone make an aftermarket wheel for the tubes?
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Littlebuggles
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 07:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dymag used to make a carbon fiber wheel for us, not sure if they still do though. It's pretty much PM and nobody else.

I saw some Marchesini five or seven spoke wheels on ebay once too, seems like I've seen a bike out there somewhere wearing them too, so that might not have been a "sellers got the wrong info" sort of thing...

(Message edited by littlebuggles on May 19, 2008)
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Rick_a
Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 11:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Marvic still makes magnesium wheels for tubers, and RC Components still has spun aluminum wheels available (which while pretty are known to be heavier than most OEM wheels...though their salesmen tell me otherwise). Those are the only ones I'm aware of.

(Message edited by Rick_A on May 20, 2008)
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Dreadnaught1
Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 10:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here is What I found..Pricey, so far I found these and if you want wire wheels I found a place that will custom make them for about $1200. ANY color, ANY Lacing, Chrome, Any finish.

http://www.1tail.com/sa/c/Buell_Wheels.htm

PM me for Link to wire wheel maker
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Guell
Posted on Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 04:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Im doing the xb wheel swap on my 97 cyclone in the next couple of months, ill try and document it.
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Littlebuggles
Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 01:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sweet, please keep us posted.
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Sarodude
Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 06:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Has anyone mentioned that the XB front wheel spokes are not designed to carry braking torque from the hub to the rim!?!?

The ZTL brakes are part of a system intended to interoperate. Examination or replacement of individual components without the other parts of the system is unwise.

-Saro
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Djkaplan
Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 06:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't believe anyone mentioned mounting a conventional disc to a ZTL wheel, but your point is still valid.
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Guell
Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 08:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

oh im definently keeping the ztl when i covert, not sure if i want to go with xb lights or stick with the traditional tuber 7" headlight.
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Sarodude
Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 09:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

To get dual disks on the front and newer style wheel might be worth it.




That is from the post that started this thread...

-Saro
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Werewulf
Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 09:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

there is a harley dealer whose name will come to me in a minute, that makes a buell wheel conversion kit for the v=rod... we have enough tallent on this board, that someone should make one for the tubes...im sure it will sell..
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Phat_j
Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 10:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

dual disks dosent mean changing disk type
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Dreadnaught1
Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 07:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We have already established that dual disks are not worth it. You can get dual brembos for $1800. The after market if you can find it Buell for $1300. I intend to convert to XB Front end keep stock headlight and tuber look and change rear wheel.
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Guell
Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 02:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, i have a set of xb-s forks and trees lined up. Hopefully this should come together pretty soon!
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Oldog
Posted on Wednesday, June 04, 2008 - 11:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What a bout Joesbuell from Austrialia?
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Littlebuggles
Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 02:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

HE did an amazing job, but put a lot more work into it than most of us can. Wheel swap with the XB front end shouldn't be a major undertaking.
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Guell
Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The forks and trees shipped out today, ill start taking pics as im mocking things up, i will be running a rear xb wheel too. I like the idea of the rear xb swingarm, and i might do that someday.

But, something about the tuber needs the shock under the engine i think.
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