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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2019 - 09:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-16/firearms -registration-act-introduced-pennsylvania

If the police reject your application, you must surrender your arms.

Thus, instead of a right, it's a whim of a bureaucrat.

And it's not an "application", it's a mandated confession. You are not asking permission, you are reporting a fact. If the clerk rejects your form informing the police of a fact, YOU automatically become a criminal.

In fact, simply by ignoring the paperwork, the over worked State Police clerk can make it mandatory to surrender your property, without trial, warrant, payment, or any legal recourse.

The only way to not be violated is to not obey, so you are automatically a criminal if you reside in the Commonwealth.

Contact your Representative.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2019 - 12:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Any recommendations for a good safe? Full-size (rifle and handgun and ammo). I don't have thousands to spend - budget versus safety here. Prefer biometric if possible, or keyed - I suck with combinations.

Good vendors to look at? I know politically Dick's isn't a good choice..Gander Mtn? Tractor Supply? Just thinking through what's in my area...or is it worth going to a gun shop directly?
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Ourdee
Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2019 - 03:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If I had the space, I'd convert a pepsi or coke machine to use as a safe.

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Ourdee
Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2019 - 03:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hiding a smaller lock box is my way. I plan on installing this one later this year. I picked it up (craigslist) for $10 and it has to be dialed to 4 different numbers and has a trick latch feature. I am still making up my mind as to where it is going to hide. The door is 1/4" steel plate.





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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2019 - 07:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I use a basic Stack-on gun security cabinet.

Calling it a safe is a bit much, but it's steel, screwed to the wall studs, and floor, and uses a circular key lock, of apparently decent quality.

No fire resistance or fancy biometric anything, but it would take a bit of effort to pry open, qualifies as safe storage, and was light enough I carried it into my house, and installed it myself.

And you can buy 4 for the price of 1 cheap safe.

They do also make fire resistant "real" safes.

For a "real" good one, Liberty. But I'm sure there are many video reviews. let us know the best one, eh?

I do need a nice little one with a fancy no look combo lock, to build into the bed side table or bed frame.
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Ourdee
Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2019 - 07:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I do need a nice little one with a fancy no look combo lock, to build into the bed side table or bed frame.

You don't have to go any further than Stack-on for that. They make one that has 3 buttons and a key lock. The key lets you in when the batteries go dead or you enter the wrong code 3 times if I remember right. I don't know where I put the instructions. I think you can program it for 6 or 8 button pushes in a row on three buttons. Like I said, I set mine for 3.
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Rick_a
Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2019 - 07:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've a few things.

There's an 18 gun Stack-On security cabinet for airguns and target ammo.


An 18 gun Stack-On fireproof safe for carry ammo and firearms storage


and finally an under bed safe used for the carry guns and one rifle.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2019 - 11:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Went with a Liberty 12-gun. Provision for power kit (110v, USB, Cat5), added the door organizer, going to shelf the left half for ammo boxes and add some hooks for range bag and holsters...



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Ourdee
Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2019 - 11:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You will be able to run a Safe Dehumidifier.
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Ourdee
Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2019 - 11:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have one about that size for air guns hid in the hall closet. It is a good size for most needs.
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Ourdee
Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2019 - 11:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Best place I have found in the past to hide something was in the main bathroom that everyone uses. Worst place is anywhere near your bed. I am more apt to put my toothbrush in a safe before anything else.
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Rick_a
Posted on Monday, March 18, 2019 - 01:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Got my first all kydex holster for my HK w/light.
20190318_131737 by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr
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Rick_a
Posted on Wednesday, March 20, 2019 - 04:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Senator Gillibrand:

quote:

Because the gun manufacturers only care about gun sales...they want to oppose universal background checks because they want to sell an assault rifle to a teenager in a Walmart. Or to someone on the terror watch list or to someone who's gravely mentally ill...



It's amazing that people this ignorant can seek the highest public office.
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Oldog
Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2019 - 01:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Senator Gillibrand:
quote:
Because the gun manufacturers only care about gun sales...they want to oppose universal background checks because they want to sell an assault rifle to a teenager in a Walmart. Or to someone on the terror watch list or to someone who's gravely mentally ill...


. As far as I know back ground checks are required now, to purchase a gun. ( any where )


Recall the Texas church shooting was carried out by a man whom was cashiered out of the air force, for bad behaviors. This should have barred him from purchasing a gun but THE GOVERNMENT failed to process the records and the man purchased a semiautomatic rifle and shot up a church. Expanding and adding powers to the current system which does not work will not fix it.

If the gun manufactures were only interested in profit, why do ALL of the larger reputable firms, promote safety, sporting events, and provide free safety info and manuals on line? It costs money to maintain web sites

Oh I have never seen an ar15 rifle in a wallmart?




( Ignorance or $hieet for brains? )
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2019 - 02:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They need to quit worrying about "gun control", and focus on CRIMINAL CONTROL.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2019 - 04:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why? Criminals are their base.

Only by violating your rights and stealing your stuff can they have absolute power.
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Zac4mac
Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2019 - 10:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My local Wal-Mart carries a wide variety of knives, both folding and not.
No firearms, 10 or 15 different airguns, .177 and .22.
No OTF knives but a wide selection of ammo, real good prices on 12ga estate and slugs.

I try to buy some ammo every trip.

Z

(Message edited by zac4mac on March 21, 2019)
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Thumper74
Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2019 - 11:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The safe subject is one I've been doing way too much research on and obsessing over... most of the safes, even the nice Liberty safes can be pried open in under a minute. There are countless videos of people doing it to Liberty and others showing the shortcomings. It seems that the companies are spending more on a polished product that doesn't protect as well. They are usually car body sheet metal thickness and the weight/fire resistance is gypsum.

I think I've decided on a Sturdy safe. They start at 3/16 thick body and 3/8 thick doors. They can customize it however you want. Now, where they excell in craftsmanship, they lack in polished features like interior carpeting, which is optional.

Www.sturdysafe.com

Gunsafereviewsguy.com has tons of information to keep you reading a d make a good choice.
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Ourdee
Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2019 - 11:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I still want to just use an old coke machine.
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Gregtonn
Posted on Friday, March 22, 2019 - 12:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Another option.

https://rhinosafe.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeN-dsnAYKk

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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, March 22, 2019 - 03:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/21/cnn- us-lacks-new-zealand-urgency-banning-guns/

That's right, CNN, sometimes we don't unfairly take the rights of our citizens away for zero good reason!

Sometimes we don't become dictatorial idiots out of fake panic, at all!

And we often notice that you lie, repeatedly, to try and destroy civil rights.

So, watch. Next we won't order the murder of All The Cows to make a Watermelon cretin happy, either!
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Glitch
Posted on Friday, March 22, 2019 - 04:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One of our friends bought a CZ P07 with a threaded barrel.
He brought it home and his fiancée pitched a fit.
I don't know if she's scared of guns or is anti gun.
Probably both.
So, he turned in his man card and sold it to me for 1/2 price!
It's been shot twice.
I picked it up just before my last surgery, so I've not been able to shoot it yet.
Hopefully I'll be up at the property this weekend, and use our outdoor range.
If not, I may just go to our local indoor range.
I bought a Kydex IWB from Amazon, that's pretty nice.
I also bought a Crossbreed OWB holster, it's my favorite mainly because I like open carry.






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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, March 22, 2019 - 11:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

'Tis a nice score. The holsters look good as well.

Someday I'll have a 9mm suppressor and a threaded barrel for one of 'em...probably the Glock. It would be nice to throw on the 9mm AR as well.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2019 - 07:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Some interesting points here. I don't carry, but I have thought generally about some of the things he brings up, just not in the detail he does.

https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/the-gas-sta tion-clerk
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Ratbuell
Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2019 - 09:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That only scratches the surface.

CCW does not make you law enforcement.

There is zero obligation (and in many cases, zero legal permission) to protect others. Period.

In states without Stand Your Ground policies, you are ONLY allowed to use a firearm when your own life is in imminent danger. Not to defend property; not to repel a carjacker. If it can be insured or replaced...it doesn't qualify for a fiream.

If someone walks into a room and starts shooting your innocent friends...then what? Honest question. How will you react?

Will you lose more sleep after you safely escape, knowing friends may die because you didn't take action?

Will you lose more sleep after actively taking another life (albeit an aggressor)?

Will you take the chance that someone heard the shots, didn't see the aggressor, but saw YOU fire...and fires on you because they mistake you for the aggressor?

Are you sure YOU identified the aggressor properly? Or did you identify a CCW citizen or a plainclothes/off-duty cop and made a mistake?

How positive are you?

What's your backstop? A wall? Ceiling? Or an innocent(s)?

How good a shot are you? When's the last time you were at the range to practice? Ever done an active shooter drill / ASI course? Or only ever shot at stationary cardboard?

Are you willing to take that chance, in the name of another person? Or will you strictly reserve the firearm for your personal protection?

But perhaps most important of all - if you draw your weapon, are you prepared (and I mean REALLY prepared) to take another human life? Not a challenge...but an honest question.

And, one that I hope none of us ever have to decide the answer to, under duress.
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Ourdee
Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2019 - 10:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have friends that have taken lives in justified circumstances. From my experience, the personal protection (me or him) shootings people have the hardest time second guessing after the deed is done. In the case where my friend terminated a man that was going to kill a child, he had no remorse and owned it completely. Make sure you have done your due diligence in being proactive. Not just target practice. Always run through what ifs. When I carried for Uncle Sam, I constantly played "what if". I wanted an inkling of the path ahead. If you can't survive the after math, lock up that weapon and ammo. Because it is all about survival.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2019 - 11:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It comes down to "where's the line" - individual? Or enemy combatant?

If you make the decision that the guy shooting up the nightclub is an enemy combatant...well...you can't put the bullet back in the chamber after you pull the trigger. Make damned sure, FIRST.

But, if you can't make that decision, I agree. Hang it up or sell it off.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2019 - 04:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

On a lighter note.

Scopes. Rifle, to be precise.

Had a discussion with a buddy who does long range targets, he likes to dial in the range and favors exposed dials with very specific functions and zeroing ability. That's great for his .338 Winchester Magnum ( less violent (recoil) than a .338 Lapua, but same bullet selection, more violent than a .300 Win mag, and a bit more reach ) that comes out of the case, deploys the bipod & sand bags and starts ringing steel out past 400 yards. I have nothing to compare, : ) even my now long gone Varminter in .223 was stretching with my skills out past 400. Ymmv.

But my scopes have caps on the adjustments that don't get touched once I'm zeroed. I embraced hash marks and even tlar hold offs, as my training and prejudices taught me. I'm also not nearly the marksman.

Hey ego is one thing, results another.

I've just had too many imbeciles turn knobs. Going through DEC deer checkpoints I've had Conservation officers twiddle knobs on my shotgun scope. Wtf? That deserves a slap I'm not giving a jr. Gestapo Rambo wannabe with a badge. Gun shows. Visiting strange ranges.

Most, almost all, folk who shoot for fun are not jerks but there are a few, & they surprise you.

"Well, your Honor, I spent over $100 on ammo and pounded my shoulder into raw meat to zero that pump gun perfectly, since I was out of practice. That's why I told the DEC officer he was scratching himself in church when his parents got married, and his family tree was proof that inbreeding was bad." Doesn't cut it in State Court.

so I use capped scope adjustment. Saves me a lot of ulcer treatments.

End rant.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2019 - 04:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That off my hairy chest...: )

We were discussing brand names. Nightforce, Nikon, etc. All good stuff.

I'm a Leupold fan, and some think they are over priced and have an over hyped reputation. No argument. But they are also solid & The company is generous with warranty work. And you can get a serious bargain if you are willing to pay a bit......

A buddy has a Marlin .30-30, very nice, wanted a scope, but he's on a tight budget. I found a used Leupold 3x9 with nice clear glass in a local shop, $150. Sent it to the factory and requested a new reticle, their ballistic version matched to his barrel and Hornady flex tip ammo. Plus laser engraving his name on the bell. No problem, $199 total and the scope comes back completely refurbished, polished, with a fresh lifetime warranty card looking like new, total with shipping etc. Under $400. Plus mounts, of course.... TANSTAAFL. But still, a heck of a bargain.

The company knew I was giving an old scope as a cheap, but upgraded, gift. They didn't ask if I was the original owner, or cared, they made the product as perfect as they could and reset the warranty clock without me asking, just knowing it was going to be an example of their Custom Shop out in the world.

Gotta admire American business ethics at their best.
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Tootal
Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2019 - 05:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've had excellent luck with Leopold. The 12X silhouette scope on the 7mm08 is a thing of beauty!
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