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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, December 09, 2018 - 06:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So, the guys at the range turned me on to these folks:

http://aliengearholsters.com/

not sure if they're new, or if they're just new to the guys, but seems like some nice stuff. They have a couple of the shape-shifter sets at the store and it does look like nice quality stuff...anyone have any experience with them?
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Ourdee
Posted on Sunday, December 09, 2018 - 09:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)




I have this one in P227. For when I have to hide it. The Alien Gear seems to have good build quality and quite a bit of adjustment designed in. It is not my favorite way to carry. I'm in a State where we don't have to worry about printing though. For real deep conceilment there is Smart Carry. May not find it with a fast pat down.

One of my favorite holster makers is: https://www.mernickleholsters.com/
Here is one I have from them:


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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, December 10, 2018 - 12:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Do you have a smartcarry? Curious how it actually does when seated...not full-frame, just a 3.3" XDs 9mm and a 7 round single-stack. Looks like a nice kit though.
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Shoggin
Posted on Monday, December 10, 2018 - 01:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just ordered a smart carry. Im a tall guy but athletic, so side carry is tough in warm weather clothes without being self conscious about printing.
I'm hoping this is the go to for my little gun! (the other little gun )

"May not find it with a fast pat down."
Why in the Hell would you let someone pat down/ frisk, or even get close enough to touch you while carrying? If a stranger is that un-invitedly close to me and my 'bits' I will be in the process of a mag dump
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Rick_a
Posted on Monday, December 10, 2018 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Our family of Ar-15's.
20181210_082204 by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr
20181210_082029 by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr
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Ourdee
Posted on Monday, December 10, 2018 - 02:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The smart carry feels like it just touches the inside of my thighs when seated. So, here is a picture with tight pants for demo purposes. 2" more waste band and it would all smooth out. That is a .357 magnum snub nose. Like I said the pants are a tight pair.




Why in the Hell would you let someone pat down/ frisk, or even get close enough to touch you while carrying? If a stranger is that un-invitedly close to me and my 'bits' I will be in the process of a mag dump
Slow your roll. I go places with security and I do not always divulge who, when, what, where, or why. Sometimes people get searched. I prefer no one knows when I'm armed. I have lost count of how many times I've been searched. I have only had a pistol taken off of me once and that by a police officer after I told him where I had one of my fire arms.
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Ebutch
Posted on Monday, December 10, 2018 - 05:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://keepandbear.com/collections/all
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, December 10, 2018 - 06:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm with Ourdee - nobody needs to know, one way or the other. Courtesy to LEO's is one thing; advertising only makes you the first target if something goes down. But if it's a legit search (i.e. entry to secure facility or event), that's where courtesy comes in.

Appreciate the info, RD.
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Zac4mac
Posted on Monday, December 10, 2018 - 11:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The WHOLE point of concealed carry is NOT being a primary target.
I would still have a CCW even if we HAD constitutional carry for that reason.

I'm not a SEAL or Ranger and don't have any desire to maintain THAT level of "situational awareness".

I DO plan to be able to respond to a nearby issue... gimme 15 seconds, or three steps.

Z

<edit> my instructor told us we can carry anywhere there is NOT a metal detector but if we're asked to leave, smile and leave.

(Message edited by zac4mac on December 10, 2018)
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Chauly
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 10:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Am I unique in believing in the right to CC, but am reluctant to get a CCW because I don't want to be on yet another List?

Persuade me otherwise (besides to obvious "breaking the law" part...)

Bear in mind that I live near Baltimore, where the Port Authority police tore apart a FL couple's SUV looking for a firearm that was at home in FL, but the Police saw that he had a CCW in FL when they scanned his plate.
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Mnscrounger
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I get your concern Chauly,( particularly with where you live) but if you've ever filled out a 4473, you're already on a list. Our goal now might be to make those lists so long they are virtually useless. As long as you are in compliance with the law, you shouldn't have anything to worry about.
Well, that's partially true. You might get hassled, you may have to spend a crapload of money paying lawyers to assert and defend your right, and you might have to go to court to get your legal fees reimbursed afterwards, and you may not get them...
But...
Civil rights are like muscles, if you don't work them regularly, they tend go away. The more you work them, the stronger they get.
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Chauly
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My main concern is the tying of CCL lists to DMV databases. Real abuse probable.
There's no 4473 list; that's illegal! (Wanna buy a bridge?) I was doing so well with my "pre-everything firearms", then just felt like I wanted a couple more before I moved up to the PRofMD.
Then I had that unfortunate fishing accident where the boat capsized...
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rick, nice variety. How's the polymer lower? I do plan on getting one when I move to a less Imperial State.

Trivia.

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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 01:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bear in mind that I live near Baltimore, where the Port Authority police tore apart a FL couple's SUV looking for a firearm that was at home in FL, but the Police saw that he had a CCW in FL when they scanned his plate.

I also live in the PR of MD - I suspect there's more to that story. Any trooper or LEO I've spoken to would take at face value, a courtesy "yes, I have a CCW from my home state, but I do not have my firearm with me, it is at home".

There is also no reciprocity between MD and FL (I know this, because I have family in FL), so the police likely (or at least, SHOULD have) asked "do you also have a MD permit?"

Again - I suspect there's more to this story.
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Chauly
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 01:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There is, I was saving keystrokes...

Apparently, it would have been a routine traffic stop, but when the plate was run, it showed the CCP for FL. The cop assumed he had a gun in the vehicle, so he asked the driver where his gun was. He said "at home, in the safe." At the same time, his partner was asking his wife where the gun was, and she replied"I don't know where the damn gun is" (evidently they were "sparring" )so they took the Expedition apart looking for a non-existent gun. No arrest, but a "Have a nice day" and left them to pick up the pieces (literally). I'll see if I can find the reference...
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Chauly
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 01:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://tbo.com/list/columns-tjackson/jackson-gun- owner-unarmed-unwelcome-in-maryland-20140112/
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 02:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Badge number, name, and lawsuit.

Like one of the comments under the Jackson article said - "nevermind the fact that any CCW holder is likely to be MORE law-abiding than other drivers"...

Again - the courtesy thing. Right up front - "sure officer, here's my license and registration, as well as my concealed carry permit from <insert>. I am not carrying at this time / I am carrying and it is located <body> - would you like me to do anything specific for you while we're here?"

I agree - it should be a non-issue. I truly hope the national reciprocity act gets passed, but until it does...just BE NICE. It really does go a long way.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house -bill/38?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22concealed+carry +reciprocity+act%22%5D%7D

Call your congresscritter.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 03:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So did you guys that have IWB holsters buy a whole new set of pants that are a couple inches bigger in the waist?

I didn't want to do this so I got a OWB holster, but it can print depending on what I am wearing. Not a problem this time of year as an untucked flannel shirt works fine, but here during the Summer its HOT, so a t-shirt can be problematic.
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 03:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I did in Illinois.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 03:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's where the smart-carry comes in, as noted by Ourdee above. Depending on your activity level, either appendix or SOB (Small Of Back) can work in hotter weather / smaller clothing seasons.

I think - and I'm still experimenting - that IWB causing the need for a larger pair of pants would depend on where along the waist, you place the firearm. ON the hip? Yep, gonna need larger. Quarter-line forward or rear (not quite to front-center or rear-center), we naturally have indents and soft areas, so depending how tight/loose your pants are currently, you may be OK. You could experiment with your OWB setup, just put it on the inside (granted, it will face the wrong direction and won't have the padding that a true IWB would have)...but that would give you a rough idea at least. Unloaded, of course!

I wear a belt without holes - it's a climbers' "bad news" belt (as in, "bad news, dude, your harness just broke and the only thing holding you is your belt") and is basically a weight-rated nylon strap like a ratchet strap, with a feed-through weight-rated metal buckle up front. Infinite adjustment.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 04:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have found that for OWB on the hip is my preferred carry position for comfort and accessibility (but I think it tends to print more than say appendix.) I wouldn't mind appendix carry, but I can't get it to work when I sit down (plus there's just something unsettling about having the gun pointed at my junk).

Good suggestion for flipping it backward to get and idea of IWB options, although my OWB holster has a slight curve to it that would be backward. Also, I know a tactical belt as opposed to my leather dockers belts would be advantageous.

And I carry a Sig P238 with extended mag and one in the chamber--absolute fantastic gun even though lots of you guys don't like .380s. I have no idea how you guys carry large guns without major issues, but good on you for pulling it off! My personal take is the advantage of a larger gun is capacity, rather than caliber. I have seen too many videos where there are multiple targets and you need to be able to keep shooting!




(Message edited by fresnobuell on December 11, 2018)
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 05:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Some guy who looks kind of like me recently switched his EDC from the Ruger LCP to a Mag Pug .357

Nobody knows it's there.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 09:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My dad carries the single stack Glock 9mm in a pocket holster. Can't tell it's there, but I have reservations about the gun getting hung up when drawing or the inability to (easily) access the gun when seated.
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 09:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And I carry a Sig P238 with extended mag and one in the chamber--absolute fantastic gun even though lots of you guys don't like .380s. The Sig 938 in 9mm weighs less than 1 ounce more and is almost identical. May be 1/4" longer. Two of my buddies and my wife carry the 938. She was carrying .380 in a Kimber till I showed her the 938.
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 09:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I only need to post it once.

(Message edited by ourdee on December 13, 2018)
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2018 - 12:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/11/nj-s tate-police-no-plans-to-go-door-to-door-to-enforce -magazine-ban/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=fe ed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+New s%29

They won't discuss enforcement strategies.
Thus "no plans to go door to door" means they are making plans to kick doors in all over New Jersey. They just are not approved yet.

Bury those suddenly illegal items right away.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2018 - 04:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I "looked" at the Sig 938 prior to purchasing the 238. I probably should have shot both prior to making the final decision, but like alot of things I used extensive internet research. The basic summary from memory was the 238 had a "cult" like following of basically glowing reviews and the 938 was a more mixed bag.

The only ironic drawback with the 238 is sometimes I feel it might be too small. Even with the fatter grips and extended pinky magazine, I would still like more contact with the gun for additional control.

That being said the kick of the 238 is near nothing, even as a pocket pistol, and it's crazy accurate. I am a firm believer that delivering rounds on target should be the first priority and the size of the holes your bullets make is secondary (but I also think the 9mm round is the optimum tradoff between the two criteria.)
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2018 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have big paws, but I really like the Springfield XDs 9mm.





The interchangeable backstraps are nice, texture on the grip is great, there's no rotation either horizontally or vertically and I don't feel like I'm squeezing a pencil when I hold it. It's like the right motorcycle - it just felt "right" in my hand, right off the bat.

My first six rounds downrange went through 4 holes inside the 9 ring, at 25'. We seem to work well together : )

Standard is a 7 round mag, it also comes packaged with an 8 round (about 3/8" extension), and they offer a 9 round (3/4" extension). They're offering a free range pack before 12/31, which includes a range bag and 3 more magazines (all 8's).

For qualifying, I cleared my first 2 targets alternating magazines for faster reloads. Last 2 targets, I shot one with all 7-round mag (50 rounds per target, relaxed reload times), and the other with all 8-round, to compare grip and consistency. Out of 250 points possible per target, I shot a 250 and a 248. (identical to my first 2 targets, a 250 and a 248). All on my first day with the pistol.

I surprised myself though - the 250 was with the shorter, 7-round magazine. I'd expected the opposite, given the size of my hands...but it was a pleasant surprise to be not only AS accurate with the smaller package, but also MORE accurate. Marginally, but still...

Weight is good, return-to-target is good, recoil is minimal, balance is excellent, and I'm amazed at how steady I can be with it for a compact-frame pistol. Disassembly/cleaning is also simple.
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Zac4mac
Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2018 - 11:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I carry my North American Arms .22 Mag 5-shot Wasp in my pocket. At all times. Especially in Wal-Mart.

A .380 S&W MP380 Bodyguard(3 clips, one in the chamber) in my medicine bag. I'm 64 and have a bunch of pills to take through the day.

In my back-pack is a S&W MP9 and 3 extra clips.
Just got a box of Underwoods.They alternate with hollow copper high speed rounds in the installed ammo.
Oh and it's got Tritium sights. : )

Makes me smile everyday

Took my 1911A1 completely apart. 7 or 8 pieces are at Phoenix Arms getting Ceramakoted - my Christmas present from my wife.
Buried with heads, but there's no better situation than too much work...

Need to go shooting.

Z
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Ourdee
Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2018 - 12:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Joe, I had the XDs 3.3 in .45acp. While shooting my other pistols well I had a tendency to push the XDs low left. It bothered me so much I traded it off. I really like the Sig P227 because it hits where I think I'm pointing it. I like the de-cocker, 10 round .45acp magazine, SRT (short reset trigger) makes 2 shots sound full auto, and a big handle with texture that feels like a cat's tongue. How ever, during qualifying for Illinois CCW, I used my Browning Buckmark in .22LR for the range work. The line was long. So, I went first with enough mags loaded for qualifying. I stepped up to the line and just mag dumped mag after mag. Smiled at the instructor and said I didn't want to hold up the line.
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