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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 - 02:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not sure I can see a man sized silhouette at 1100 meters without a scope! I did just get new script and glasses, so maybe.

Hate to admit, long range & nearsighted eyes haven't mixed well. I'm decent at 200 meters, with an accurate rifle, but out past that? Haven't practiced that far in years. What I can't see, I can't hit. Carlos Hathcock, I'm not.

Or Chuck Yeager. Darn it. He claims his eyesight is to be credited for his kills, as he could see & identify the enemy first. I'll even grant he's a better pilot, many are, but it's eyes that kept me from flying Tomcats, not skill.


I have a Winchester 1894 in .30-30 that I traded a Yugo SKS for ( like new, bought all legal, but I never fired it before trading ) that I need to go sight in, with irons. The other guy wanted a SKS for his wife, & threw in a set of reloading dies with the "very old" '94 with no finish to speak of, but tight action, & decent bore. I haven't checked the date of manufacture,but 100 years wouldn't shock me. 200 is the longest range at the local club, and I don't think that'll limit me much. ; )
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 - 02:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Some years back, I got a 14th century style crossbow made by a squire brother, who does Fine Woodwork. Like violins and furniture. He teaches a class at Pennsic each year in our camp, next to my tent, starting with a log, the students end up with a mortice & tenon joint, all with ancient hand tools.

He cheated a bit with a Barnett prod, but otherwise, it's old school. I practiced till I didn't suck, then went to shoot competition..... No score. While the modern foam target holder I have worked fine, the hay bales used at SCA events didn't. The bolts go thru 2 bales and there's no way to tell on sisal mat old style targets where I hit. : ) dang.

Insult to injury, the deer feed next to the target in my yard! I swear I'm getting a 3D Raptor target someday.
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 - 02:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My eye sight when young was a blessing and cursing. I could see people at crazy distances and would get a headache trying to identify them. I'd get headaches when it rained because stuff looked blurry. A black silhouette on a tan background at mid day was child's play. I can still line a crane up over a 55 ton pick and not get any sway. But I think the long distance days are behind me. On the plus side, I have fewer headaches.
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 - 07:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was away and missed that one.
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2018 - 09:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/620070/rinehart- velociraptor-dinosaur-3d-foam-archery-target

Snowing here tonight and the next few days. Picked a buddy up at the airport this afternoon, and drove him home, about 45 miles south, the roads got real slick the last few miles back, no problem, and the deer are in the yard, bedded down... right where I put the archery target. : ) ( 30-50 yards from the porch ) I wished them a good night as the snow is starting to cover them, then came in.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 - 05:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Even the Swiss are complying!

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/gun-control_swiss-gun -fans-blast-eu-schengen-restrictions/43737230
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 - 09:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So here's what gets me:

https://kdvr.com/2018/11/27/denver-city-council-pa sses-ordinance-to-create-safe-injection-site/

Guns are bad, mmmkay? But...c'mon in and shoot up! That's FINE!!

WTF makes that seem like a good idea?
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Nixon approach was free get clean help. Congress turned that into a multi million $ bribery campaign with thousands dead each year in turf wars.

Remember, Bill Clinton rented out the Lincoln bedroom to a cocaine cartel leader who bribed him to keep drugs illegal to keep his monopoly.

There is more than one way to fight drug addiction.

This Denver concept is privately funded, and doesn't seem to be a violation of anyone's rights.

How successful are the other places this is tried? That's the question.

The only connection to our gun rights is not in that article, and would horrify the news folk. And that's that the best way to stop the Chinese regime's narco terrorism, with fentanyl, and Afghanistan heroin is to arm the people of those lands so they can overthrow the Xi and Taliban oppressors.

No one will support that. Because it would work, and cut the power of evil men.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 - 10:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I admit my post made a tenuous connection there - I was simply comparing "we have to outlaw guns because they're bad and they kill people", to "we don't care that opioids kill more people in this country than guns, we're going to give people a safe space to shoot up illegal drugs anyway". The thing is...drugs ARE illegal. Period. Why encourage(allow) their use AT ALL??

Pure lunacy.

Maybe the air's too thin up there for rational thought?
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Mnscrounger
Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 - 11:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ratbuell: I refer you to a 2014 use of force topic where we discussed using other methods than law enforcement to deal with the violence drug crime brings us. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/406 2/741184.html

Aesquire first lit me up for being an idiot, (guilty as charged on any given day). When I was able to clarify my statement, he actually thought my suggestion was worth consideration, (after significant revision by people smarter than me).
Based on Patrick's postings, I'll take, "has the right idea, just needs refinement", as high praise from a very learned man.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just don't grasp the concept of making an ILLEGAL drug, "OK to use, as long as you're here in this spot".

It's an outgrowth of our "ban ICE" and "open the borders" lack of respect for laws in general (and laws that make power difficult for Democrats to achieve in particular). It's simply throwing another law (or family of laws) under the bus, saying "eh....it's okay, as long as you do it under our supervision".

There was a line in the 2014 thread about Vietnam - "stoned guards were easier to evade". Well...this is simply keeping the cannon fodder incapacitated.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 - 02:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

While the political folk in Denver might indeed be left of the Viet Cong and Stalin, and share their contempt of America, the idea might not totally suck.

Probably is idiotic. The question is, does such a facility do good? Is it better than just giving a "needle park" sanctuary some where police don't bother junkies? Those seem to encourage lawlessness and increase addiction. ( I'm working from anecdotes and lousy reporting )

Just helping junkies not kill themselves is arguably a good thing. Could be your daughter, etc. It's absolutely a good thing to reduce the spread of AIDS by providing clean needles vs. reusing another addict's.

And.... Yeah. I get your mocking anger that government idiots seem to care more about feel good gestures than Civil rights.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2018 - 02:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I went back & looked. Mnscrounger's idea was good, I misunderstood part of it. Should have praised it more.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, December 01, 2018 - 08:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/01/ct-d emocrats-push-storage-requirements-for-unloaded-fi rearms-various-gun-bans
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Ducbsa
Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2018 - 06:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://freebeacon.com/issues/landlord-tells-harva rd-student-move-legally-owned-guns/?fbclid=IwAR1Ys dhCleSg14xRND7FroaueU-s8lRP6ZoeVBw1C6HYoL_fSYSlYmc DbB0
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Rick_a
Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2018 - 07:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The answer to every legitimate gun control concern from "liberals" is, "but what about that black guy that got shot?" Do we only care about the rights of blacks? Are we only caring about blacks now? Isn't that racist?
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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2018 - 06:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My only thought on the Harvard student story is...if she's a "trained" and legal gun owner, and lived with six roommates...how in the hell did she leave the guns where the roommates could "find" them??

MY training is, the owner is ALWAYS responsible for the safety and security of the weapons, whether in their immediate possession or not.

I'm a 2A proponent and a gun owner...but she screwed up. The only time my firearms are not locked up, is when they're on my person or within arms' reach. Slide lock cables, bolt cables, magazine lock cables...can all be cut once the firearm is removed and taken back to the thief's home, with a set of bolt cutters. The only answer is to prevent access to the firearms at all. Period.

Not to say it's not a witch-hunt...but she did screw up. And carelessness like that doesn't help any of our 2A arguments.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2018 - 06:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

With six guns, a safe would excite her roomies, too. In MA, it must be tough for a shooter.Glad I live in VA.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2018 - 06:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The story is oddly vague.

I keep my guns in a locked cabinet. But it's a key lock. Spend all day ransacking my house, and only the high mess level would prevent finding the spare key in the bottom drawer of the filing cabinet in the folder marked "not where I really put it". In a single bedroom? With stoner college kids moving the bed & mattress looking for guns & anything!?? For hours? I'm not ready to condemn the young lady.

Her room mates, otoh.

Clear violation of social contract. Legally locked guns, as verified by the local police! Hidden from sight.

How long would it take me to find your whatever if I had days to tear your house apart while you were gone? These were not burglars on A quick in & out who don't want to be detected in an empty house. They live there and obsessively, for many hours, tore her room apart.

A good... I mean despicable lawyer is needed to sue the crap out of those children's parents so they need to go to community college and live in their parent's house. Not sure how nasty I want the landlord's fate.
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Whisperstealth
Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2018 - 07:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I usually agree with you Ratbuell, but not this time. I've had roommates and left locked guns in my room. I considered my room sacred ground, and would not take my firearms with me every time I left the apartment.

The roommates should be arrested for trespassing. I hope she stays, at least through finals. If the other roommates decide to bounce, that's on them, she doesn't owe the landlord anything extra.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2018 - 07:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's as easy as a safe, and taking the key with you.

Open the safe, it's b&e.

I've had roommates as well. I don't have roommates now. I still keep my guns in a safe when not in my immediate possession.

Someone breaks into a room/house/whatever. Doesn't matter if it's a roommate or not. They steal a gun, cut the safety cable, and kill someone. With YOUR gun. Did you secure it properly?

It's the whole gun-ban debate - you say "I consider my room sacred ground". So do I. But a criminal - just like they won't obey gun control laws, or "gun free zones" - won't give two shits that your room is YOUR room. They're criminals.

What if her roommates didn't FIND her guns, what if they USED her guns? Hell, they sound like snowflakes...what if they picked it up wrong and it "went off" and one of them got dead? Still think she was a responsible owner?

Again - I own. Responsibly. And I respect those who do as well, but owners like this who are IRresponsible, don't do any of us any good. If you think a safe is inconvenient, there are small single-firearm safes that can sit bedside, bolted to a table or a wall stud, with fingerprint locks. Ask me how I know.

If we're going to own, and if we're going to continue to enjoy the right to own...we have to step up our game and DO IT RIGHT.
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Ourdee
Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2018 - 09:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nanny State started all this lock the guns up crud.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2018 - 09:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When the Mass. police confirm they are legally locked there should be no way, without deliberately breaking or picking the lock, that they or it can accidentally go off.

I'm not in total disagreement with you. I agree we need to be responsible owners of deadly weapons. That is one reason I had my tires changed on my minivan Fri. And why every gun I still own, is locked in a gun cabinet. Not really a safe, IMHO, but screwed to the floor and wall and steel thick enough to be absolute proof to any investigating LEO that I was in compliance with NYS laws, and reasonable prudence.

Ready to hand in the single gun safe at bedside is fine, but in my case anyone who is willing to just carry a hundred pound end table away, or bash it repeatedly into the floor, can take the safe away to open at leisure. I take the security of my firearms seriously. The axe is on the end table in the living room, and I have a knife block in the kitchen, zero security there. The crossbow is also on display, just hanging on the wall. Bolts, however are stored in the same cabinet as the Winchester 94.

Am I responsible enough?

And I stated up front the article was vague. We do not know how well she secured her gun. Just that it was legal in a state known for it's uptight and restrictive laws.

And any key locked safe has to have a backup key somewhere. I have one on my key ring, in pocket, and the spare is not in the same room as the cabinet. It's in the house, someplace, and as I said, eventually, if you pull every drawer out and look underneath for a key taped to the bottom ( a common spy novel location, not where I keep mine ) and toss every inch of the house, eventually, you'd find it.

I actually read, long ago, "How to hide almost everything" and today's commercial marketplace has fake power outlets, switches, vents, tables, etc. that cover everything from that 1970's book. If your budget allows, you can have a hidden wine cellar or safe room installed.

I think you are prematurely judging her irresponsibility. Not enough information to make that judgment.

Plenty to determine her room mates are evil or mildly insane. Ok, I'm assuming mildly.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2018 - 10:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't disagree with your points. I didn't see where the police agreed she had them "legally secured", only that she "owned them legally" and they "complied with the law". Perhaps I read too quickly.

The other mistake I see is, she DIDN'T tell her roommates she had firearms in her room and caution them to stay out because of them. Anyone staying in my home, gets a quick conversation that "this is where they are; you do not have access to them; if you see me get one, stay on the floor because something is wrong, and I instinctively aim higher than my dogs". Not to scare people, but to protect them while they're in my home. And, my responsibility.

I understand she was a victim in the past; that does not excuse irresponsibility in my mind.

Don't misunderstand me - the roommates WERE wrong by invading her privacy and tossing her room. Her mistake was allowing the firearms to be found/accessed at all. If they'd found her gun SAFE? I wouldn't have anything to comment on. Finding a gun in her sock drawer (or wherever it was)? That's a huge mistake from an ownership/security standpoint.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2018 - 10:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Also, if someone wants to rip a gun safe out that's bolted to the wall...well...that's like a car security system, or a parking brake. Sometimes you do all you can do, and sometimes it still isn't enough, but due diligence means sleeping at night and being covered from a liability standpoint. You may lose the safe and its contents...but at least you did everything possible to keep it from being easy.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2018 - 10:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And I assume the same if they walk off with a massive Amish side table? ( I got to do Eero Saarinen in the living room, fair's fair )

I admit I'm making the assumption that her gun(s) were locked ( Mass law requires "tamper resistant lock" or a safe, I looked it up ) and not left in plain sight.... since her roomies spent hours trashing her room. We don't have any other data, so I think you premature.

But if that's the only point of dispute we have, that puts us light years closer than I am to anyone who is onboard with the conditioned responses of the indoctrinated adolescents that trashed her room & lied to her. This is a blatant case of years of deliberate lies and cultural warfare to steal your rights.

"A few weeks ago, I came back to my apartment from a weekend trip and was confronted by one of my roommates who asked if I had guns in the house," she told the Free Beacon. "After being told far too many lies to count, my roommates finally admitted that they searched my closet, under my bed, and all of my drawers in pursuit of finding my guns."

While she was given several different explanations for why the roommates entered and searched her room, the 24-year-old said she felt her political beliefs and where she is from played a significant role in the roommates' actions.

"When I asked them why they were in my room to begin with, they each came up with completely contradicting stories (none of which made any sense), but one comment struck me in particular: ‘We saw that you had a MAGA hat and come on, you're from Alabama… so we just kind of assumed that you had something,'" she said. "I asked why they didn't just call me and ask me before intruding. One of the girls responded that fear took over her body and she felt compelled to search my room until she found proof… I cannot make this up."

Pirnie said she had been living in the apartment since September without incident, and she kept her political beliefs to herself before the incident. But she did have a Make America Great Again hat in her room.

In response to the email from Pirnie's roommate, Lewis contacted Captain James Donovan of the Somerville Police Department to inspect Pirnie's firearms and ensure they were in compliance with Massachusetts law. Pirnie agreed to allowing the police to inspect her firearms and said she was told she is in compliance with all applicable laws. Lewis acknowledged the department's conclusion that Pirnie was not breaking any gun laws in his email telling Pirnie to move out.


Just being responsible isn't enough, although I agree completely it's a minimum for gun ownership. There is no higher ground you can occupy and win this cultural debate.

I admit I've reached the point where my reactions to bullying do take into account the Public Relations aspect, but not one iota of the bully's feelings.

I do strongly advocate that if gun rights are a concern, if you need to use lethal force, you might consider a different weapon. I wouldn't use a sword, since I don't want a Pogrom against them either. I'm not that fond of baseball...; )
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Rick_a
Posted on Monday, December 03, 2018 - 04:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Some so-called liberals have been literally losing it for years...fully immersed in their own social bubbles and lost in their own propaganda. A friend of my cousin's has suggested that he's waiting for me to start killing liberals because I talk "just like" those mass killing right wing extremists that they think are everywhere. He's one of those types that believes that everyone that opposes socialism is a fascist Nazi, Trump is literally Hitler, and individual rights are a threat to "muh democracy." It's like, maybe being inundated with emotionally pandering propaganda is not beneficial.

Frankly, I believe the ideological differences between the illiberal authoritarian indoctrinated leftist types and everyone else are irreconcilable.
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Ourdee
Posted on Monday, December 03, 2018 - 05:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you keep a baseball bat in your car, do your lawyer a favor and also have a glove and ball in there. I favor a full size riot baton and training.
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Ourdee
Posted on Monday, December 03, 2018 - 06:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Side Note: Do not paint the bat black. I have 2 batons. A black assault baton for home defense and a light tan wood one for the car. Talking to the police works better if you allow the aggressor to leave a mark on your forehead. Strikes with the baton tend to leave less marks if you stick to a spread 2 handed grip on the baton. If you are angry, removing yourself from the situation is preferred. I always think of the baseball bat as a quiet way to kill someone and will avoid picking one up until that seams the only option. Like a fire arm, my choice is to not kill, it is to eliminate a threat. I know full well that in eliminating a threat it may result in death. My goal would not be killing another human in anger. The choice to stop a threat should be based on fear for your or another's life or the prevention of grave bodily harm.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, December 03, 2018 - 09:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How long until the Supreme Court takes up the case of any/all of the various "assault weapons" and "high capacity magazines" bans, and also and especially the few "may issue" laws around the country?

And which way will the court decide. States rights vs 14th amendment and a legion of precedent that states may not violate the U.S. Constitution.

I actually disagree that the Constitution guarantees the right to carry a concealed handgun in and of itself, no permit/license required. History seems to contradict that quite clearly. There were a lot of highly patriotic jurisdictions that prohibited concealed carry way back when. If I get a chance, I'll try to dig up the article.

The point is just that "the right to keep and bear" literally means "the right to possess and carry", so the concealment issue is not necessarily so constitutionally guaranteed as some believe.

Doesn't New York City law prohibit people from owning or carrying tasers or pepper spray? I'm not sure about that at all, so please correct if wrong. Point being: It's not about the guns.
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