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Fb1
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2018 - 07:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Different cultures and values in different parts of the state.

*******

The rural North & SW are completely different demographics than the Coastal Elite.


^: True enough, but have y'all looked at the map of the proposed split?



(Image link: https://static4.businessinsider.com/image/5b215e1c 1ae6624b008b5098-1200/california-split-map-2.png)


Currently, the politics of the entire state of California - regardless of where you live - are dictated by the "coastal elite" (and including, of course, the swampians in control of the state capitol of Sacramento).

It appears to me that the proposed three Californias would operate under the same perverted dynamic.

Reindog, what say you?
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2018 - 07:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That looks like it was specially designed to give all the power to the smallest amount of people possible.
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Fb1
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2018 - 08:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That looks like it was specially designed to give all the power to the smallest amount of people possible.

That's my impression, as well (with the added "bonus" of likely sending an additional four D senators to Congress).
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Fb1
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2018 - 08:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Just landed - a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future!

Before taking office people were assuming that we were going to War with North Korea. President 0bama said that North Korea was our biggest and most dangerous problem. No longer - sleep well tonight!



^: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/


Bravo, Mr. President. Happy birthday!

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Macbuell
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2018 - 08:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Dems drew that California map and I am sure they love it. It practically guarantees them 6 Senate seats instead of 2 and 3 Governors instead of 1. Then the can gerrymander the local districts to try to get more House seats too.

As usual, simple initiative to give the people representation truly in line with their beliefs is bastardized.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2018 - 09:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think the proposed "NorCal" and "Cali" should be combined, and have only "Cali" and "SoCal". Wouldn't give the dems as many new reps that way.

Or just let 'em secede. Build the wall on THIS side of the state and call it done. Bobby DeNiro, Oprah, Madonna, and all their buddies can make it on their own - they wanted to leave anyway (but Canada won't take 'em!)...let 'em all go. Maybe keep the lower four counties (including San Diego) as part of the USA so we still have a shipping port...
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Macbuell
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2018 - 09:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It should be two states. One with San Fran, Oakland, LA and San Diego in the same socialist state running along the coast. And then everything else. That's basically what people are asking for. Not the garbage they came up with that guarantees at least one large Democratic urban center that will dominated voting in each of the three states.
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Reindog
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2018 - 10:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sacramento and Frisco have to stay in California or its a nogo. This is gerrymandering on steroids.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2018 - 11:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hilarious! The NY AG seems so incurious about the Clinton Foundation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-york-f iles-suit-against-president-trump-alleging-his-cha rity-engaged-in-illegal-conduct/2018/06/14/c3cbf71 e-6fc9-11e8-bd50-b80389a4e569_story.html?utm_term= .259727c3fd1f&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2018 - 02:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I saw the lady pushing the CA break up on Varney on FBN this morning. She tried to deflect many of the questions asked by Varney. Very disingenuous IMO. Left to her well rehearsed talking points, it sounds great. Refusal to discuss anything not covered in the talking points is a clear sign that it's a BS political move.

I think they would need approval from the other 49 states to make this happen. Given that it's never happened in my lifetime, I'm not sure what the process is for statehood, but each of the three new states would have to go through that process. I don't think I'll ever see it in my lifetime, regardless of what CA votes.
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Fb1
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2018 - 02:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Statement from Trey Gowdy re: just-released OIG report:

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Fb1
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2018 - 02:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Lisa Page text to Peter Strzok: “(Trump’s) not ever going to become president, right? Right?!”

Strzok reply: “No. No he’s not. We’ll stop it.”

This Peter Strzok text about "stopping" Donald Trump was hidden from Congressional investigators. We never had it. Absolutely unreal.

-- Rep. Mark Meadows, 1:06 PM - 14 Jun 2018



^: https://twitter.com/RepMarkMeadows/status/10073083 98151467010
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Macbuell
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2018 - 03:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Worse is that the first text was provided to congressional oversight. The second was not. Deliberate omission? Probably. By Rosenstein who seems to be running interference all time. Probably. The FBI and DOJ is rotten to the core and needs to be gutted. I wish Sessions would do his job or resign.
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Fb1
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2018 - 10:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

^: My guts tell me that Sessions is an honorable man, and that he will "emerge" when the time is right.

Link to the OIG report: https://www.scribd.com/document/381806566/IG-Repor t-on-FBI-and-DOJ-Handling-of-Clinton-Investigation
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Fb1
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2018 - 10:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

From the report:

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We identified numerous FBI employees, at all levels of the organization and with no official reason to be in contact with the media, who were nevertheless in frequent contact with reporters. Attached to this report as Attachments E and F are two link charts that reflect the volume of communications that we identified between FBI employees and media representatives in April/May and October 2016. We have profound concerns about the volume and extent of unauthorized media contacts by FBI personnel that we have uncovered during our review.


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Fb1
Posted on Thursday, June 14, 2018 - 10:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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The text messages between Page and Strzok covered a wide range of topics. For example, we identified a large number of routine work-related communications. Many of the text messages were of a personal nature, including discussions about their families, medical issues, and daily events, and reflected that Strzok and Page were communicating on their FBI-issued phones as part of an extramarital affair. We found that this relationship was relevant to the frequency and candid nature of the text messages and their use of FBI-issued phones to communicate. Some of these text messages expressed political opinions about candidates and issues involved in the 2016 presidential election, including statements of hostility toward candidate Trump and statements of support for candidate Clinton.


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Fb1
Posted on Friday, June 15, 2018 - 06:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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...when one senior FBI official, Strzok, who was helping to lead the Russia investigation at the time, conveys in a text message to another senior FBI official, Page, that “we’ll stop” candidate Trump from being elected—after other extensive text messages between the two disparaging candidate Trump—it is not only indicative of a biased state of mind but, even more seriously, implies a willingness to take official action to impact the presidential candidate’s electoral prospects.

This is antithetical to the core values of the FBI and the Department of Justice. Moreover, as we describe in Chapter Nine, in assessing Strzok’s decision to prioritize the Russia investigation over following up on the Midyear-related investigative lead discovered on the Weiner laptop in October 2016, these text messages led us to conclude that we did not have confidence that Strzok’s decision was free from bias.


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Fb1
Posted on Friday, June 15, 2018 - 06:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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10:39:49, Agent 1: “I find anyone who enjoys [this job] an absolute idiot. If you dont think so, ask them one more question. Who are you voting for? I guarantee you it will be Donald Drumpf.”
10:40:13, Agent 5: “i forgot about drumpf…”
10:40:27, Agent 5: “that’s so sad and pathetic if they want to vote for him.”
10:40:43, Agent 5: “someone who can’t answer a question”
10:40:51, Agent 5: “someone who can’t be professional for even a second”

08:56:43, Agent 5: “i’m trying to think of a ‘would i rather’ instead of spending time with those people”
08:56:54, Agent 1: “stick your tongue in a fan??”
08:56:58, Agent 5: “i would rather have brunch with trump”
08:57:03, Agent 1: “ha”
08:57:15, Agent 1: “french toast with drumpf”
08:57:19, Agent 5: “i would rather have brunch with trump and a bunch of his supporters like the ones from ohio that are retarded”
08:57:23, Agent 5: “: )

[November 8, 2016, the day after the presidential election] 09:38:14, FBI Attorney 2: “I am numb.”

09:55:35, FBI Employee: “I can’t stop crying.”

10:00:13, FBI Attorney 2: “That makes me even more sad.”

10:43:20, FBI Employee: “Like, what happened?”

10:43:37, FBI Employee: “You promised me this wouldn’t happen. YOU PROMISED.”

10:43:43, FBI Employee: Okay, that might have been a lie…”

10:43:46, FBI Employee: “I’m very upset.”

10:43:47, FBI Employee: “haha”

10:51:48, FBI Attorney 2: “I am so stressed about what I could have done differently.”

10:54:29, FBI Employee: “Don’t stress. None of that mattered.”

10:54:31, FBI Employee: “The FBI’s influence.”

10:59:36, FBI Attorney 2: “I don’t know. We broke the momentum.”

11:00:03, FBI Employee: “That is not so.”

11:02:22, FBI Employee: “All the people who were initially voting for her would not, and were not, swayed by any decision the FBI put out. Trump’s supporters are all poor to middle class, uneducated, lazy POS that think he will magically grant them jobs for doing nothing. They probably didn’t watch the debates, aren’t fully educated on his policies, and are stupidly wrapped up in his unmerited enthusiasm.”

11:11:43, FBI Attorney 2: “I’m just devastated. I can’t wait until I can leave today and just shut off the world for the next four days.”

11:12:06, FBI Employee: “Why are you devastated?”

11:12:18, FBI Employee: “Yes, I’m not watching tv for four years.”

11:14:16, FBI Attorney 2: “I just can’t imagine the systematic disassembly of the progress we made over the last 8 years. ACA is gone. Who knows if the rhetoric about deporting people, walls, and crap is true. I honestly feel like there is going to be a lot more gun issues, too, the crazies won finally. This is the tea party on steroids. And the GOP is going to be lost, they have to deal with an incumbent in 4 years. We have to fight this again. Also Pence is stupid.”


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Fb1
Posted on Friday, June 15, 2018 - 07:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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These people work for us. They are comfortable, however, referring to over 60 million American citizens as “pieces of shit.” This, my fellow Americans, is The Swamp is all it’s fetid putrescence. If Sessions doesn’t fire these two clowns, it’s an outrage.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/14/fbi-emp loyee-crudely-slams-trump-voters-as-all-poor-to-mi ddle-class-uneducated-lazy-pos-ig-report-says.html

-- James Woods, 11:46 PM - Jun 14, 2018



^: https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/10074692 78856036352



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An unidentified FBI employee described Trump voters as "uneducated" and "lazy POS" the day after the 2016 presidential election, according to the Justice Department watchdog's bombshell report on the Hillary Clinton email investigation.

The employee was responding to instant messages from "FBI Attorney 2," whom DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz indicated was one of five FBI employees who had been referred for investigation and possible disciplinary action over politically charged messages.

Horowitz said Attorney 2 had been assigned to the Clinton investigation "early in 2016." Approximately one year later, the report said Attorney 2 was made the "primary FBI attorney" assigned to the Russia investigation.

On the morning of Nov. 9, 2016, Attorney 2 messaged the employee: "I am so stressed about what I could have done differently."

The employee answered: "Don't stress. None of that mattered," an apparent reference to the FBI's investigation of Clinton. When the attorney said: "I don’t know. We broke the momentum," the employee answered: "That is not so."

"All the people who were initially voting for her would not, and were not, swayed by any decision the FBI put out," the employee wrote. "Trump’s supporters are all poor to middle class, uneducated, lazy POS that think he will magically grant them jobs for doing nothing. They probably didn't watch the debates, aren't fully educated on his policies, and are stupidly wrapped up in his unmerited enthusiasm."



^: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/14/fbi-emp loyee-crudely-slams-trump-voters-as-all-poor-to-mi ddle-class-uneducated-lazy-pos-ig-report-says.html
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, June 15, 2018 - 08:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good to know our employees hate us.

You'd think they worked retail.

Go ahead, ask the clerk at the Gap or better yet, a shoe store. When no one is around.

But it's understandable. Most Law enforcement folk see the bad side of people. Hard not to be cynical.

These folk, however, are partisan political leftists whose ideology/identity make them not just above the law, but contemptuous of Law as a concept. Taqiya, the Alinsky Lie To Power. Fundamentally, religiously, dishonest people.

These are the Bad Apples that rot the whole.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, June 15, 2018 - 08:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We should have the right to know exactly who these people are, not protected by the labels of "Attorney 2". Then we should be hearing how they have been fired, and will never work in the federal government again.

This IG report is much like when they listed all the crimes of Hillary, only to end with... "We won't be prosecuting". It's the process of flipping a coin and not being surprised that the coin comes up tails. No evidence of bias there. There is no evidence of bias in any single coin flip. When you flip the coin 100 times and get tails 90 times though, it takes a real idiot to not have concerns of bias. At that point, bias is almost an absolute certainty. I'm really starting to believe that there isn't a bloodless option to correct this problem.
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Macbuell
Posted on Friday, June 15, 2018 - 08:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I guarantee you this attitude is pervasive not only in the FBI but with pretty much all the employees for branches of the Federal Government in Washington DC. I think as you get further away from DC is probably a lot less pervasive. But in Washington, I think many of these employees think they know better than we do and it is their job to run the government and institute policy no matter what the common plebs think.
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Fb1
Posted on Friday, June 15, 2018 - 09:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The corruption documented in the OIG report is attributable to the work of Horowitz and his team (Horowitz's job was fact finder). The evidence is overwhelming and damning.

The weak, watery summary and recommendations at the end of the OIG report, however, appear to have been written by someone else. Rosenstein?

Huber's job is to prosecute wrongdoing; I suspect we'll be hearing from him soon.

In the meantime: Do us Americans - the folks who paid for the investigation and impacted by the blatant bias and animus - get to see the unedited, unredacted version of the OIG report?

Mr. President?


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Fb1
Posted on Friday, June 15, 2018 - 09:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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What is taking so long with the Inspector General’s Report on Crooked Hillary and Slippery James Comey. Numerous delays. Hope Report is not being changed and made weaker! There are so many horrible things to tell, the public has the right to know. Transparency!

-- President Donald J. Trump, 6:38 AM - 5 Jun 2018



^: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1003949 263481696256
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Court
Posted on Friday, June 15, 2018 - 05:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


China Tariffs


Yeah . . right . . .they are going to impose tariffs of their own. I can hear the folks in China complaining . . . "oh yuck, cheap American stiff" and what a shame it will be to not be able to find good ol' "Made in China" goods on our shelves . . . .

Fair is fair.
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, June 15, 2018 - 07:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

China already has MANY tariffs on American made goods & products. So do all the G7 countries that screamed bloody murder at Trump suggesting that they stop.

A LOT of the damage is already done. A lot of those cheap goods from China are just not being made here anymore. The Steel in question is a broad mix of utter crap & fine stuff. John Deere & other makers use Chinese steel because they can't buy it here anymore, and the stuff they buy is good.

Cut off all trade with China ( not going to happen ) and there would be screaming as the Dollar Store and Walmart shelves empty of cheap crud. And only some of that would be replaced with new domestic manufacture. Because you'd be crazy to invest a fortune in rebuilding manufacturing when you know that Congress will change the rules as soon as they get a few million each from illegal Chinese campaign contributions.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2018 - 06:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/06/sunda y_schadenfreude_media_mockery_of_trump_when_he_ann ounced_his_candidacy_three_years_ago.html
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Fb1
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2018 - 10:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Thank you to @RepDaveBrat, @DesJarlaisTN04, @RepMattGaetz. @RepGosar, @CongressmanHice, @Jim_Jordan, and @RepRalphNorman for joining me on this letter. These individuals at the FBI and DOJ must be held accountable.

-- Representative Andy Biggs, 6:03 PM - 18 Jun 2018



^: https://twitter.com/RepAndyBiggsAZ/status/10088326 37165801472
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Ducbsa
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2018 - 06:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"The IG report, simultaneously a devastating indictment of elite misconduct and a total whitewash, is a symptom of the moral leprosy infecting our elite. It is rotting away our institutions, and the foundations of the United States as we knew it. But the elite can’t, or won’t, even admit to itself what we all see."

from https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/201 8/06/18/the-ig-report-was-a-whitewash-and-devastat ing-all-at-once-n2491691

I also like the analogy

"You are on a jury. My client is a black man claiming racial discrimination by his company. I present you with texts from key leaders in the company – who are still employed in high positions at the company – discussing how they hate black people. I demonstrate that at every single opportunity, the company made choices that hurt my client, just like at every opportunity the FBI and DOJ made choices to help Hillary the Harpy. Then, I show the company fired my client with no evidence of his wrongdoing, just like the FBI exonerated Stumbles O’Drunky with tons of evidence of her wrongdoing. "
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2018 - 11:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/06/trey -gowdy-were-going-to-miss-you.php

Video well worth watching.

No reputable police department would assign an outspoken fan of Adolph Hitler to investigate arson at a Jewish community center. He might be a great cop and perfect for investigating liquor store robberies, but you don't send him to the JCC.

He's entitled to his opinions, just like you.

I wouldn't assign an outspoken hater of the Clintons to investigate her felonies of destruction of records under subpoena, either.

But by golly someone assigned multiple people who hate Trump to investigate him.

And if I was in charge of a department of Justice, and one of my biggest ranking officers held a press conference detailing the known crimes we had evidence of, in a high profile case, and then announced we weren't going to pursue the case because we didn't think the perpetrator really meant to be bad..... I'd have demanded his resignation on my desk. Today.

Unless, of course, the perps husband visited me in a secret meeting, say, on an airport parking area, surrounded by armed guards, and made clear to me that would be unwise..... Perhaps by making nice compliments about my children and how they are doing in school, with friendly personal information, like locations and classes taken.

But that's bad movie stuff, isn't it?
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