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Blake
Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2001 - 05:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

hiya. . . ahem. . . Mr. "Counter Steering" professor. . . ahem.
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Court
Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2001 - 06:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The yellow and Caribean Blue were discontinued after 1995.....
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Buelliedan
Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2001 - 06:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Advice for potential new Buellers:

If you find a Buell called a RS 1200 or RSS 1200 for under $5,000 DO NOT buy it! Please call me immediately at (915)759-7328 so that I can get this dangerous machine off the road!! haha

Dan
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Mikej
Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2001 - 07:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dan,
Uh, click here, he's probably open to offers.
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Leeaw
Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2001 - 08:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here is an S2 that has a decent buy price. Sorry about the URL format.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=593975784&r=0&t=0
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Cb6017
Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2001 - 12:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the input on getting a Buell from Seattle to home (Fallon, NV).
Due to a slight mixup, this bike was sold before I got up there.
So, I'm in the market for a 1999 or later Cyclone in the Northern California/Nevada area.
Thanks again.
Cliff
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Bkw_Bmw
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2001 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, the S2 discussions are timely as the dealer and myself are only $500 dollars apart on the price of a blue 1995.

This site has been a great source of informative testimony of all things Buell and has been a factor in kindling my desire for needing a Buell in the garage.

Which brings me to one of my bigger questions: How is the parts -the Buell specific parts- situation/availability on a 7 year model?

brian
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S2carl
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2001 - 11:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Brian,

Never had a problem.
Add the numbers of Manchester HD, Modesto HD and Topeka HD to your rolodex if you get the S2. These guys can get damn near anything and seem to rise to the challenge when it is a hard to find part. Then there is Court, who seems to have a treasure trove of old Buell stuff lying in a basement somewhere. I would not be too concerned about parts availability.


Carl Reichenbach
1995 S2
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Bkw_Bmw
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2001 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just recieved word from the dealer, they met my price of $4500 cash. Not too bad a deal, I think, for a pretty clean example with 8000 miles. Now the BIG ONE - do I do it?!!. Man, this blows the budget for the rest of the year.

brian
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2001 - 01:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Budget my ass?

You have just INVESTED in rolling art......this places you in the "wise and worldly" catagory of motorcycle owners who've stepped back to step UP TO a Buell S2.

Short of bodywork, I'm betting you'll not have any parts concerns whatsoever.

Be sure, as mentioned, to log Topeka, Modesto, Dallas (www.sporttwin.com) and Manchester in your Rolodex.

In addition, I have some "elf-sources" for parts if you get in a bind.

CONGRATULATIONS!

Court
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Leeaw
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2001 - 01:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Do you do it???? For $4,500??? I doubt you could find one cheaper, and you have me green with envy!
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S2carl
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2001 - 02:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court,

Getting the body work is no problemo, getting it fast is something else. I got a set of FLAWLESSLY preped and painted bodywork for my S2 in about 10 weeks last year.

Brian, $4500 is a steal if it is in good condition.

Carl
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S2no1
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2001 - 02:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Brian,

Run, don't walk, otherwise someone may beat you to the bike.

Arvel
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Supermod
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2001 - 10:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi,Brian- $4500 is a steal. I love my 95,had to get it from Ohio(live inCA). It is a tall saddle bike, but once your feet are on the pegs it sure is fun. Dont see how you can lose-Clay
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Bkw_Bmw
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Picked it up last night. Decided to take a chance, and rode it in to work this morning. (140 round-trip commute). Only a couple items shook loose. happy BTW, how do you warm it up and not have it roll/vibrate forward off its stand? Or gas the tank (to full) up with a center fill? Looks like I learn new tricks without leaving the saddle.

brian
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S2carl
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Warning,

You are taking your bikes life in your hands if you attempt to warm up w/o doing one of the following. 1) Sit you heiny on the seat and prevent it from rolloing back or 2) use a wheel chock to prevent rolling. If there is anything about the S2 that does suck, the kickstand is about it.

When parking, heed Bucks warning. 1) turn off bike, 2) put in 1st gear and roll forward until bike will not roll, 3) put stand down and lean bike on stand. That way the only place it will roll is back, which will not retract the stand.

Anywho, if I get a chance, I'll forward some e-mail of info re: the s2 that I have aquired over the years. Some good stuff in there.

Carl
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Reepicheep
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 02:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Another great little trick somebody mentioned in passing somewhere on this site is to get a little sliver of wood scrap, and wedge it in the back side of the front brake lever.

Keeps it from going anywhere during warmup, and just squeeze the front brake and it falls clear. I keep a small pile around the front of my garage for just this purpose. They may LOOK like I was too lazy to clean them all up after cutting that trim for the cat door to the basement, but they are actually redunantly externally randomly distributed tools :)

Bill
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Aaron
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just bend the kickstand so it sticks forward a little, and down enough to keep the bike from leaning so far.

Worked for me.
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S2carl
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 02:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Reepicheep,

You can actually use The Strap as well, It is a fairly heavy piece of nylon webbing w/ velcro, cut just the right length of course. Wrap it around the lever and grip to form a parking break.

I still would not warm up my S2 w/ only a parking break rig. Not worth the aggrivation if she does decide to fall.

Carl
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 02:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ABSOLUTELY DO NOT leave your S-2 unattended on the sidestand.

All of the cures, listed above, work. Aaron will criticize most of them as "treating the symptom". He's right.

We need, FOLLOWING BONNEVILLE to mount a campaign to get his "bend" reduced to a drawing that someone who has the time can emulate. I've seen it, it's gifted.

It serves two purposes:
1) Reduces resting angle (stock nearly has trun signal on ground)
2) Makes bike secure on sidestand.

Bring all your S-2 questions HERE first. Rember my fabled words....there are no dumb questions...just complete idiots driven by a common passion asking rediculous questions and providing those obtuse people they call "friends" a marvy opportunity to make fun and frolic at their expense.

Seriously.....ASK.

Court
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Rickie
Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2001 - 12:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

AGAIN, here is the fix for S2 side stand woes.

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This is not MY fix (as some may assume and consequently ignore); this is Buell's fix…. It was offered in the spring of 1995, one full year after the purchase of my first "1995" S2. As I posted earlier this fix was covered free of charge on both of my S2's, but at this late date can be purchased as a replacement with part # 16269-94Y, unfortunately they retail for $254.75. Fortunately they can be had cheaper, I recently purchased (new in the box) both the left and right isolator mounts from a dealer for $138.00 in an Ebay auction.

If you walk into a dealer to purchase the part today, examine it to confirm that it is not old stock and is actually the updated part as they (new or old) have the same part number.

As you can see by the photos and the pin dimensions provided, if you are so inclined you could update your damaged isolator plate relatively easy and inexpensively.

My bikes idle without mishap every day I ride them pointed downhill outside my shop while I leisurely put on my gear.

I don’t have to park the bike in gear to prevent it from falling off the stand and it is unnecessary to remember to put it in neutral before hitting the starter which, by the way, is how most side stands are damaged.

I will not look for uphill parking to put my mind at ease.

I didn’t have to heat, bend, align, and repaint the side stand.

I never had to carry a parking block with me.

There was no extensive machining to adapt some hondakowapileashitsuki side stand to my Buell.

My primary never caved in due to over zealous implementation of the above mentioned adaptation

And I would sell my bike before I resorted to a strap to secure the side stand to something like my front wheel. On second thought, I think I would throw the bike on the ground and deliberately park it on its side first. For crying out loud, have some pride.

Ignore the tip again if you will, but there is nothing more pathetic than the destruction of that beautiful bodywork because a S2 fell over while parked. These bodies have enough problems without dropping them……
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Court
Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2001 - 01:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Most cool....I think we need to get one of our enterprising members who is a machinist to collect a bunch of side plates and "correct" them babys!

And....if I had body work as darn cool as your's, I'd make sure my sidestand was world class as weel.

By the way....anybody who'd "not do it cause it was your idea" doesn't know who you are and what you have done. Sure you're grouchy, but hey...at OUR age? Fortunately, unlike some of our grouches, you have the counterveiling talent to make me ignore it :)

Court
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Rickie
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2001 - 03:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court,

Thanks for the praise.

You're right in that the age thing puts a little "tang" in my already stodgy text persona, but in real time I am capable of some very entertaining far less serious drivel.

As a matter of fact, the other day as I was preparing to assemble one of my bikes. With the drive train sitting there, I started thinking of the innovative component combination comprising the Firebolt and had stupid urge to outline a Buell project with the rider as a stressed member of the chassis. So with some prodding from the clowns hanging out in the shop, there now is this picture on the shop wall with me mocked up as a stressed member of a chassis and a developing outline of the particulars underneath.

So far the titles are, What's Up With This Guy, or American Engineering Gone Bad, Again.

Actually, on a serious note, I could update side plates for anyone interested. A fixture for the mill would not take much and I was planning to find a source for the inserts to repair a friend's piece this fall. So, once his is done, any others would cost a fraction of a replacement piece.
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S2carl
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2001 - 07:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rickie

If you do get the fixture for the mill, please repost the offer of updating the sideplates. I for one would like to be able to have a little piece of mind that the bike will not fall due to the wacky sidestand.


Carl
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Mikethebike
Posted on Monday, August 13, 2001 - 09:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm on the verge of buying a Buell! I'm torn between a '96 w/ 3500 miles and nicely customized (Corbin seat, V&H pipe, carbon fiber breather and rear fender, and those awsome PM wheels)or a '98 still on the showroom floor.

Can someone tell me what improvements were made (frame, motor, etc) between the '96 and '98 model years?

Thanks,
Mike
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Mikethebike
Posted on Monday, August 13, 2001 - 09:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

oops - forgot one thing...both are S1s
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Jmartz
Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 08:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mtb:

Changes between S1's were minimal. A few that come to mind, the front hiem joint mount is straighter and thicker, the trans pulley bar is the present day style, the front motor mount is the new opened style, the seat had a bit more padding, the bodywork was changed in 97 to nylon. 1996 models have hand laid fiberglass body pieces. Rear subfender was painted black in '96 but left natural after that.

Engines are the same, tanks are the same. Some new color options later on.
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Al_Lighton
Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2001 - 08:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Two other changes, 96 to 98: Oil pump and Brakes (PM/Iron in 96, Nissin/Stainless in 98)

I'm assuming the 98 is a plain S1 vs an S1W. The W had the tstorm heads/pistons, the regular S1 didn't
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Rick_A
Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 08:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm a new Bueller. I'm new to street bikes...also new to the BBS though I've lurked through these pages for some time. I've wanted an S1 Lightning since I first saw them in '95. After finally controlling my debt enough to have some extra $$ I couldn't wait and chose buying an S1 over what I really needed...a pickup truck. I was just curious as to the opinions here of an S1 Lightning as a first street bike. I'm awaiting it's arrival now. It's completely stock, too, BTW.

Rick
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Rocketman
Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 08:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Drag Bars Slick ?

Rocket in England
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