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Snowscum
Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

2006 20k miles and all of a sudden this starts. Anyone have any shifting issues over the years? Its easier when its cold but getting tougher to get in gear as it gets warmer.
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Teeps
Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oil level ok in the trans?

No problems on mine, 38k mi. only use Formula +.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 08:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Primary chain gets tighter as the engine gets hot; good idea to check that adjustment.
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Snowscum
Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 09:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That has all been adjusted. New trans oil and it still does it. All the years I have been following the Uly I have yet to see anyone have transmission issues. Why me?? lol
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Reepicheep
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2016 - 07:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you have the belt off for some other reason, put it in neutral and turn the front belt sprocket by hand, and feel if it is crunchy or bindy.

There have been a few 5th gear drive assembly failures, and that can load up the transmission and cause odd shifting problems.

Not that it really matters if that's it or not, given you have to split the cases to fix that also.
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Blakeaspencer
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2016 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I too have had these issues on my 06 uly with 38k. I replaced the while clutch assembly due to bad bearings, plates and springs. Also the shift pawl assembly can get bent. After this my bike ran 90% better, still not perfect. But check those if you can. And good luck.
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Snowscum
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2016 - 07:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Can't find a shift pawl assembly in the service manual. Is it called something else?
Thanks for the advice!
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Blakeaspencer
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2016 - 08:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't know what it actually is, its the part inside the primary that touches the shift shaft. I think the clutch has to be off to see it. There are little springs on it that can hang up. Im just speaking from what I saw in mine
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Jim2
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2016 - 09:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Item #33, pg. 34 of Official Factory Catalog - Part No. 99572-02Y

Shifter Pawl Part# 34492-91 (2002-M2)
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Jim2
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2016 - 09:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You need part manual if you don't have one. The pictures are much better then in the service manual.
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Snowscum
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2016 - 09:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Jim and Blake. I think the mechanic took a look at all that. http://www.ukbeg.com/pash/2006%20Firebolt%20Manual /sm06b.pdf

Page 3 figure 6-50?
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Blakeaspencer
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2016 - 09:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes that's what I meant, the shift shaft assembly
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Snowscum
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2016 - 11:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Did it affect just one gear?
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Blakeaspencer
Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2016 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It started just affecting 3rd to 4th changes, but then seized completely in 3rd. That's when I took it to my Mechanic when we looked in the primary. Now sometimes it will be clunky changing from 2-3-4 when hot, but rarely.
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Snowscum
Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2016 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That interesting. Mine so far is just 3rd to 4th. Shifting down through is flawless.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2016 - 09:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Can you shift it with the engine off and rocking the bike forward and back?
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Snowscum
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2016 - 12:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can't get it into 3rd with engine off. Is that bad?
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2016 - 09:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was hoping you would be able to feel/hear something with the engine off.

The tubers had a detent plate on the end of the shifter drum that was held on with an E clip. They were prone to working loose and giving similar crappy shifting effects.
I don't recall seeing anything like that the times I have been in my XB.
Of course, I was looking for my own problems: clutch release lip, starter.
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Brother_in_buells
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2016 - 10:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Put it on a rear stand when doing This ,It's much easier to shift through the gears!
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2016 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If it flops but doesn't shift, that leans more towards messed up shifting mechanism (pawl, etc).

If it binds and won't go into gear, that leans more towards messed up transmission.

But either symptom can be either.
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