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Archive through June 20, 2015Reepicheep30 06-20-15  10:46 am
         

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Rapuckett55
Posted on Saturday, June 20, 2015 - 10:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

HOLY COW!!! I guess I'm fortunate. Mine looks no where near that bad. Other than a few shavings and a striped spline, it looks normal in there. Stator and rotor are perfect. Everything is clean. That one in the link is in BAD shape.
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Rapuckett55
Posted on Saturday, June 20, 2015 - 10:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK, I'm seriously considering welding this thing. What do I have to lose?

Somebody talk me out of it.
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Jesse_lackman
Posted on Saturday, June 20, 2015 - 10:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The only problem I can see is the weld would be a circle under the bolt head area. I'm not sure it would hold.

The splines have a lot of holding area, theoretically a lot more than the weld would. It's probably torsional movement that took out the splines, and that is what the weld would have to withstand.
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Brother_in_buells
Posted on Sunday, June 21, 2015 - 04:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Big change its gonna crack somewhere around the weld or snap the end tip complete off.
You know these engine vibes are unforgivable!

How bad are the splines really? ,maybe filling it with some good red locktite ,torque the nut and let it cure for awhile.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Sunday, June 21, 2015 - 09:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, I don't know if anyone of us really know if it would work, and we all kind of suspect it wouldn't. But we are dying to know for sure. It's for science. : )

(seriously, I guess it would ruin an otherwise perfect stator bell assembly... so maybe not worth trying).

The fact that even with the splines you need 200+ ft lbs tells you that the forces here are stupid high.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Sunday, June 21, 2015 - 10:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Remember his 06 has a nut and a substantial threaded "stub" that extends past the rotor. You could get a pretty hefty weld into that area using several passes.

I guess another alternative would be to try weld repair of the splines, and then grind them back to shape with a die grinder or Dremel. It would probably be a lot of work- grind a little, check the contour, grind some more, etc. times how ever many splines there are. The new splines might not be as strong as the originals. The welding heat might adversely affect the strength/hardness of the crank stub as well, but this is also a consideration with any weld repair of the crank.
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Rapuckett55
Posted on Sunday, June 21, 2015 - 11:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

All valid points. It is for science, right? I agree it will be really high torque. I'm not worried about the rotor. I was planning on buying a new XB9 sprocket and rotor assembly anyway.

I can weld, but if I do this I'll probably get a real welder to do it for me. My thought is to tighten the nut as much as possible. Then weld the sprocket to the nut. Then weld the nut to the shaft. Ideally, it would be better to weld the sprocket directly to the shaft but I don't know that I can make sure the sprocket is pressed in all the way.
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Rdkingryder
Posted on Sunday, June 21, 2015 - 11:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rap, I was able to change my crank for under $1K with a new '08. So it can be done.

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/142 838/647353.html

I also got an almost new XB9 primary for very little money from the XR1200 Group. They want the higher gearing the Uly comes with, so they have the XB9 gearing dropping out of trees there.

http://www.xr1200ownersgroup.com/site/forum.php

With the exception of it sometimes going into false neutral, it's been running fine. I've got about 55K on it now.
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Tootal
Posted on Sunday, June 21, 2015 - 12:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Two problems with welding. Warping of the shaft and welding tool steel, which I assume it's made from, doesn't work real well. It can harden the steel which will make it brittle and it will crack. Not knowing what kind of steel it is made of is the problem. Warping would be my major concern though. It would vibrate your fillings out if it warps at all!
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Uly_man
Posted on Sunday, June 21, 2015 - 12:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why was post removed?
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Rapuckett55
Posted on Tuesday, June 23, 2015 - 09:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So, my dad stopped by yesterday and gave my wife an envelope. Inside? $1500. Says that I should fix the bike right . Now, I'm 41 years old and didn't really "need" the money, but it sure makes decisions easier.

I'm looking on ebay for used motors. I found 3 that I'm looking at and would like to run them by you guys for your input.

1. http://www.ebay.com/itm/141697816913?_trksid=p2055 119.m1438.l2648&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
$1,350 + $150 shipping. This one is appealing because of the price. I'm not concerned with cosmetic issues as long as the motor mounts are good and it runs good. The motor mounts look suspect to me, can someone that has actually seen these off the bike chime in?

2. http://www.ebay.com/itm/231568307345?_trksid=p2055 119.m1438.l2648&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
$1,999.99 free shipping. This one looks sharp! I'm waiting on a response to what year and mileage. EDIT - 2004 with 13k miles.

3. http://www.ebay.com/itm/281683594290?_trksid=p2055 119.m1438.l2648&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
$1,899.99 + $150 shipping. There's only the one pic. 2005 with only 7k miles.

Thoughts? I'll still need to get the XB9 conversion. Thanks to Rdkingryder I have an alternate site to search for a used one. However, $131 for the rotor/sprocket assembly is not bad for brand new.

(Message edited by rapuckett55 on June 23, 2015)
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, June 23, 2015 - 10:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That first motor would be my pick. I don't see the damage they mention, but even if the head is not usable, its not like you don't have a pair of perfectly good heads laying around if needed : )

Also I would recommend swapping the oil pump from the 06 into the 05 motor while you have it out.
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Rapuckett55
Posted on Tuesday, June 23, 2015 - 10:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There's this one as well, 2004 with 19k.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161741801833?_trksid=p2055 119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I was hoping to steer clear of the 04's & 07's.
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Rapuckett55
Posted on Tuesday, June 23, 2015 - 10:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Froggy!

I appreciate your input.
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Tootal
Posted on Tuesday, June 23, 2015 - 10:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

On the second one I noticed that the top screw, in the picture of the intake, looks like it either has carbon build up around it or it's starting to crack which will lead to a broken TB shaft.
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Xbimmer
Posted on Tuesday, June 23, 2015 - 11:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Engine 1 PARTIAL DAMAGE ON THE OUTER FINS WHERE THE TRIANGLE MOTOR MOUNT GOES BOLTS STILL THREAD USABLE SHAPE

I don't think so, rear head is toast and there's no way the rear cross bar mount will attach with the torque it requires. And it looks to me like the front mount was yanked out also. I don't know but with that much trauma I'd wonder about the swingarm mounts too.

If you're gonna be swapping heads you might as well go through the whole thing, then you might as well keep yours and fix the crank. Or get Engine 2 and have lots of spares from yours.

My $.02.
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Xbimmer
Posted on Tuesday, June 23, 2015 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

... and I would get the sellers to pin down the year model engine. Just because they'll bolt up doesn't mean they'll work. IIRC.
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Brother_in_buells
Posted on Tuesday, June 23, 2015 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That first engine has damaged at the rear head were the bolt goes for the coil and tb bracket.
It has a fram oil filter to!

I would go for the second engine ,its I bit more $$ but has the motor mounts and tb and oilcooler still on.
Also change on less stripped bolt holes because of that.
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Arry
Posted on Tuesday, June 23, 2015 - 01:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here's another idea -- I've seen pretty good prices on used Uly's. If there's a good deal in your area, you'd be riding again right away, and you'd have a whole bikes worth of spare parts.
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Rapuckett55
Posted on Tuesday, June 23, 2015 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Lots of great info from you guys! Keep it coming.

Another question: I've read where it's better to get an 05 or 06 over an 04 & 07. My option #2 is a 2004. Option #3 is a 2005 for only $50 more if you add shipping. Should I request more pics to get a good visual on the mounts?

Again, thanks for all you guys helping me out.
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Rapuckett55
Posted on Wednesday, June 24, 2015 - 05:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

EDIT - double post, kinda ...

(Message edited by rapuckett55 on June 24, 2015)
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Rapuckett55
Posted on Wednesday, June 24, 2015 - 06:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok, so I made a deal on my option 3 above:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/281683594290?_trksid=p2055 119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

2005 with 7k miles. Turns out the motor pictured in the ad was a generic XB12 motor and not the actual motor for sale. The motor for sale is in the bike that is pictured. I've been texting the shop. He claims it's clean and runs great.

Ended up getting it for $1850, shipping included! I couldn't pass it up. Should ship tomorrow.

I'm super stoked! Now I have to find time to get my engine out. I have company arriving today and will be here until Monday or Tuesday. I can't work on it while they're here.

I also found the XB9 primary sprocket/rotor assembly (32493-02B) on ebay. $42 shipped.

Hopefully in a couple of weeks ... ...

Thanks for all the input guys!
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Dualsportdad
Posted on Wednesday, June 24, 2015 - 10:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don't forget the 05 comes with the oil pump drive gear that tends to fail. I strongly suggest swapping that out.
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Rapuckett55
Posted on Thursday, June 25, 2015 - 08:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Don't forget the 05 comes with the oil pump drive gear that tends to fail. I strongly suggest swapping that out."

Ah, serious? I thought I had a drop in solution. Thanks for the heads up. I'll do some research. If you have a link, I would appreciate it.
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Dualsportdad
Posted on Thursday, June 25, 2015 - 09:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I could post links all day, they are all over the net. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/327 77/503531.html

Us Uly owners don't hear much about this problem cause buell started putting the upgraded gear in from the factory in 06..... The first year for the Uly.

I bought all the stuff to do it to my old xb9sx and tried to give it to the new owner when I sold it but he choose to use those parts as a bargaining point. You might be able to use the gear from your Uly motor ( I don't see why you couldn't). If I recall you have to remove the rocker boxes and the rockers to relieve pressure on the cams. Gives a good excuse to replace the rocker box gaskets with new updated ones anyways. I'd suggest putting in new intake manifold gaskets while you're at it.

With the engine out replacing the gear should be a breeze. You will needa special tool to do the job as well that is about $50. Oh yeah, might as well replace the o2 sensor as well while ypou have the engine out and of course the spark plugs.
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Buewulf
Posted on Thursday, June 25, 2015 - 11:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't know your financial position, but why not just buy another '06 Uly? Are they getting hard to find? You are going to spend $2,000 on the engine and I don't know how many hours doing the swap. You can buy an '06 in really good condition for under $3500 then still have lots of spare parts to from your current bike to keep you on a Uly indefinitely should you desire.

Edit: Oops. Never mind. I see where you already bought the engine. Good luck!

(Message edited by Buewulf on June 25, 2015)
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Rapuckett55
Posted on Thursday, June 25, 2015 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

@Dualsportdad - Thank you for the link. I'll look into getting that changed out. I could use the one off of mine, but I would want to fix it eventually.

@Buewulf - I thought of getting a 2nd bike, but, unfortunately, the funds are not there.

I see that I have 3 options for my "spare" engine.
1. Sell it as is and maybe...maybe get $500 out of it.
2. Take my time and fix it up. Do the general maintenance as suggested above, valve seals, hone the cylinders, etc... Then sell it for close to $2000.
3. Keep it. Take my time to fix it up big time. Maybe take some pointers from Phelan and his "Big Ulgy Project".

I'm not in a hurry to make a decision on my old engine. If I fix it (either to sell or keep), it will probably take a year to find the time to get it done. Plus, I plan on building a workshop, and this would be a great first project.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, June 25, 2015 - 12:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There's one more option:

4. Disassemble your old engine and sell the parts. You'll get considerably more than $500 out of it.

That said, option 3 sounds like a cool idea, and you could sell your spare engine once you re-install the upgraded original engine.
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Phelan
Posted on Thursday, June 25, 2015 - 01:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sounds like you have a lot of good options. Big Ugly should be even better in a few days once I get the new round of changes sorted : ).
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