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Ulendo
Posted on Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 10:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ok - the ability of the muffler to ACT as a bash plate is no longer a moot point....








and to answer the obvious questions
1: no I DIDNT lose the bike. apparently it does give off a fairly impressive sparks ( fireworks) display when customizing in this manner.
2) yes, my suspension is set up right...couldnt get enough loft with the wheel to clear the rocks

that said, I'm not real ' enthused' with this. does anyone on here have links to or photos of bash plates that replace the chin plastic and / or act as a skidplate? (its that, or do the dread nasty, and (gasp) locate a different muffler under the tail!
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 11:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would love to see someone locate a muff under the tail. That would really give the ULY some ground clearance. Or even the ability to lower it without sacrificing the original ground clearance. A muffler under the tail would be light compared to a passenger or probably not even as much as 20 lbs of luggage.
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Madduck
Posted on Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 11:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If anyone can do that and add a centerstand we would really have something special.
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Birdmanrh
Posted on Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 11:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have hit mine a few times as well. Not as much as pictured there, but still pretty good.
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Ulendo
Posted on Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 11:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd rather not move the muffler unless absolutely necessary - I'm on the CityX, not the Uly, and it'd move the center of gravity a considerable distance up, and back...I do enough wheelies coming out of holes as it is!

that said, I've been eyeballing the cowl, tail-lights, and under-cowl muffler off of the Honda CBR's, just to weigh the options.

ps: this is a photo hack job, but close to what the modified cityx would be http://www3.telus.net/ulendo/images/Xb9_Xterrain.jpg Just have to photoshop on the muffler & tail of your choice...
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Birdmanrh
Posted on Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 11:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How different (or is it) is the CityX pipe from the Uly?
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Ulendo
Posted on Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 11:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

as far as I know its the same thickness top-to-bottom. The Uly I was running with has a Drummer, so length is an unknown, but the cityx has the 52" wheelbase vs the 'long wheelbase of the SS & Uly ( 56.5"?) oh, and the uly has the active valve, the '9's dont.

just for reference, Jerry (the Uly I was with) said he'd bottomed his forks a few times on this run, too.....so its not just the lack of clearance that should have had me slowing down

I actually dont have any gripes about the muffler, or mounts - even with that sort of a hit, I havent had any problems, didnt crack, or come off the bike at all....I just dont really like tearing parts up like that.
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Treadmarks
Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 04:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You could try one of these:


bash plate
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Treadmarks
Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 06:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would go with some sort of bash plate if you intend to do this sort of riding.

If the muffler was moved up and back you would be placing a lot of weight way high on the chassis, and your drive belt tensioner would have no protection at all.

That being said, I would love to see a dual exhaust that exits under the back fender, and a kick ass bash plate that protects the belt tensioner, oil filter and the bottom of the engine.
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Birdmanrh
Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 07:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I like Touratech stuff, if you can get it. Somewhere I saw that the mounting of the lower crash stuff for the Uly makes a direct connection of the engine to the frame. (not good)

Not sure if it was those parts, and I cannot verify that myself, but just an FYI.
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Ulendo
Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 10:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the hard mounting stuff was the engine cage. That touratech piece is the photo I was thinking of, but I'm figuring on making my own (I do aluminum welding, and use a CNC router at work every day...)

treadmarks - it'd be a lot more than 'just' moving the muffler, and yes, it'd involve replacement underside armor - witht he muffler gone, there's nothing to protect the engine, and tranny cases, either.
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Soloyosh
Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 11:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think it was the TT guard on the front of the muffler that connected to one of the tie-links. In most cases it'd break as soon as you started it. I noticed it's not on the TT website anymore.

Ulendo,
Make a centerstand... then retire...
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Windrider
Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 11:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ulendo, If you went to a Uly instead of the CityX you would have more ground clearance to start with and thus less... uh, bashing.

The Uly should give you 2.4" more ground clearance than the City X. The Uly suspenders also soak up the hits from this type of riding a lot better.

Just a thought.
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Debueller
Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 01:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Chris,

This is what I would do:

(1) Call Kevin Drum and see if he could straighten out your can, then have him build an original Drummer with the internal 1/4" bash plate. (it might cost a little $$)

(2) Slow down a little! You were hauling *ss when I seen the sparks coming out from under your bike. I think your soft luggage was flying up higher than your shoulders!!

(3) Take a trip to the states and we will go on a ride and really test out that can (just kidding!). We didn't get much of a chance to hit pavement on our ride. Head south to WA and we will hit some tight twisties at Mt St Helens.
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Fullpower
Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 01:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

your muffler IS a bash plate, and it looks like it is doing it's job quite well.
It is made of steel, and that is a property of the material, it deforms under pressure. if the new profile is bothersome to you, simple cut the bottom off, hammer it back out and weld it back up. paint as necessary.
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Ulendo
Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 03:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi Jerry...hey, you guys said you wanted entertainment!! seriously though - yah, that section, we were hauling a$$ the soft luggage velcro lashings aren't up to that kind of stuff, especially with the load I had in there. Not quite as good as the show later, but I can live without doing THAT again! ( no worries BTW - cityX was functional again by late sunday morning, albeit, I STILL don't know why the fuse kept blowing)As for the ride, hopefully you guys enjoyed it, and had some fun.

Windrider - even the '07 Uly is too tall to be manageable on-road for me. (I'm 5'4") given that I use it as my commuter vehicle for as much of the year as possible, on-road is a concern. even the CityX with low seat is tiptoes / ball of my foot.

soloyosh - I've actually been brainstorming a 2 piece centrestand that stows in the saddlebags, and just slips on for field servicing, with a tractor pin to hold the 2 sides together...gets around all the issues of the muffler being in the way, clearance, etc, etc, etc, and ( maybe) possible to put specific mounts to lift the front, or rear wheel that way ( for flat repair, working on shock/.forks, etc) Any takers?
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Debueller
Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 03:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Chris,
No doubt we enjoyed ourselves and had some fun. Check out my post in tale sections under your topic, Kettle valley.

Glad to hear you got your City X going after the carnige. Great show!!
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Soloyosh
Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 05:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ulendo,

That would be nice, but I'd pay a VERY shiny penny for one that was permanently on the bike.

Cheers
Brett
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Paochow
Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 08:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For a good skid plate, you could also try http://www.tonnsracing.com/

I have one of his skid plates on my DRZ and it is extremely strong. According to his site he does custom work, not sure what it would cost though $$$$.
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Ulendo
Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 09:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Paochow - no worries about 'custom' stuff. if I can draw it, I can get it cut on the CNC router at work, and I'm a prety decent hand at aluminum welding...given that I do cosmetic welding on average 3 days a week, go figure. FWIW, we get a lot of the stuff we make powdercoated, so I even get decent rates on that

soloyosh - I'll see what I can dream up. I've had flats off-road, and yah, a center stand would be mondo useful. the cross bar is really the hard part...
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Paochow
Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 09:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ulendo- I'm curious to see what you design. Please post some pictures once you get going.

I would be interested in buying a skid plate, especially if it would protect the front of the pipe, especially since I have a shiny new race pipe.
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Brad1445
Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 01:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Make magic Ulendo and I too will Buy one.
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Trojan
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 05:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We had a bash plate made specifically to fit the Micron exhaust system on our Uly Supermoto last year. It is 3mm Aluminium and bolts straight up to the chin spoiler bracket mounting points on the Micron. It can be used with or without the chin spoiler although the spoiler would need to be trimmed slightly to fit, as in the picture.
If anyone fancies it I have this one for sale at GBP100 (US$190 approx) plus shipping. Please note though that it will ONLY fit the Micron exhaust. : )









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Treadmarks
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 08:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dayyuum, that bike looks awesome.
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Treadmarks
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 09:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We had a bash plate made specifically to fit the Micron exhaust system on our Uly Supermoto last year.

Trojan,

How did the Uly do as a tard? Would love to see the list of mods you did.
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Trojan
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 10:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The bike was excellent as a Supermoto, and much better on the road than the stock Uly. We used the XB12SS Long saddle and undertray mated to the stock Ulysses side rails (same casting), which made the bike feel narrower and easier to handle at low speed. We fitted Wiseco 12:1 pistons and also ditched the inner airbox assembly for one of our Ultimate airbox kits with the Micron pipe and Rapidbike adjustable ECU. This was good for around 100bhp at the rear wheel and 100ft lbs of torque : )
All the palstics were changed for carbon fibre except for the vented airbox cover, which was glassfibre.
We had it finished in satin black and displayed it at the International Motorcycle Show in England last November.
Pretty much as soon as the show was over the bike was stripped and rebuilt into this years road racer ridden by Phil Read in the UK Thunderbike championship. Now you know that the Uly is a good all round bike : )

From this..





To This...





To This...





All in 12 months. Who knows what next year holds for it...: )
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Red_chili
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 01:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mmmm....Tasty....Chili like.

Hey, Ulendo- cut off the bottom of your muffler, weld some curved 1/4" sheet in its place. Done, and done.

Chili think Neanderthal 4x4 fabrication skills work with Uly. Chili break out evil torch now.
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