| Author | Message | ||
     Loki |
Justin, Just got my BOSS mounted this morning. As for the clamps. The rear one will close up real nice and snug on the pipe. The front one might be more than a pain. Loosen up your header at the heads. The front clamp on mine will not close completely around the pipe. This is where I believe the donut thingy is supposed to go. In between the clamp flanges with the bolt running thru. As for the initial run.....TALK about the db difference from the stock pipe. I now will ride with good ear plugs all the time. Should have been for a few years now too. On my way to work I had a local sheriff on his scoot right beside me. Not even a flinch from him on the noise side. That be a good sign. In the city: It will be obnoxious! Just what the doctor was prescribing. Now maybe I wont have a car in my lap. On the open road: Purrs like a kitten, a real big one at that! Also have a Force on the bike.....Just wait till you here it sucking in a good breath. Watch out for the exhale... loki | ||
| Seeeu911 |
LOKI: Ahhh yes ! ain't that BOSS the BOSS ! Sometimes..not going anywhere, just in the garage I'll just start the bike and let it idle ..listening. Justin: Get a new factory front bushing..some longer bolts for the front mount and some diff size lengths for rear and experiment. That donut thingy does not fit all bikes. Also Call Daytona HD service. I've ordered new clamps with rubber wrap. In the meantime I used the existing and no scratches. Also use the Copper Permatex high temp paste gasket for the fit on the header. A little messy going on but cleans up nicely and will prevent fumes leak. The Boss inlet is slotted so you will need the gasket stuff. | ||
| Travis |
Jasonl is correct about the V&H pipe. I just had mine apart a week ago. I think that taking out the packing would only make it louder. In fact it may cost performance, but that is just a guess. $.02 Trav | ||
| Loki |
Don, I think they should just lable it BBB.... BigBadBoss I am gonna make a trek to Daytona to see about the front clamp that was shipped to me. I think it was just slightly undersized. Melbourne has a X1 with a BOSS on it and it has a welded on front hanger. Makes me wonder.... When you making a trek out to the playground again? loki | ||
| Seeeu911 |
Loki:..hehe you're right. Being hooligan I am the other day I was in a parking garage and rode up and down a couple times setting off car alarms each way..hooligan fun. I remember John saying that Rek first made the Boss with a weld but moved to the clamp style after typical vibration problems. A lake county run this weekend. See details in Regional Storm Front... John crashed his X1 last trip to the playground. I would guess we will be back out next week. I'll keep you posted. When are you going to Daytona ? | ||
| Buellriderm2 |
Thanks Don and Loki, I got my force installed today, but didn't have time to hang the pipe. The new intake does suck a lot of air, and my throttle response was immediately improved. I plan on calling Daytona tomorrow to pick their brains on mounting the pipe on my '99 M2. I thought about just putting some one-sided rubber tabs on the inside of the mounting wraps just to keep them from rubbing on the pipe. Thanks for the mounting advice. My dad has his own auto repair shop, so I should have all that stuff on hand. Hopefully, I won't become most valueable customer at ACE hunting for extra hardware. I'm glad to hear the pipe is so loud around town. My dad has a '96 Road King with a 96" S&S motor and the thunderheader, so I was feeling a little neutered riding with him. Besides, the Buell is a big dog, it deserves to bark like one. -Justin | ||
| Tat2steve |
I finally got my Boss on the other day. The rear clamp went right on, the front one was a different story. Does that donut go between the ears of the front clamp, I haven't figured that part out yet. Boy do they sound awesome,nice growl to it. I put on the Boss, Thunderslide, and a Force sidewinder.....WOW!!!! Ton's of power now, can't wait for summer.. I also put T bars on, made the front end feel real light, what's the best stabilizer for a Buell? Thanks Tat2Steve 98S3 | ||
| Seeeu911 |
Allright now Tat2steve and Buellriderm2 post those pictures. | ||
| Loki |
had to canx the trip to D-town today. A parental unit called way to early. Something about an express package being delivered(10am). She is gonna be real pissed that it wasn't. The bad part is she delivers the stuff herself back home. loki | ||
| Loki |
tat2steve, I said the same thing when I was mounting mine. I tossed that thing aside. I ended up putting a stack of washers between the ears for the time being. Those ears will not come even close to meeting. Gonna use the extra long bolt I used as another clamping point(down low) for the clutch cable. I now hava a proper spacer to replace the washers with. loki | ||
| Al_Lighton |
I'm buying a race header for my 98S1W. Figured I'd buy a Supertrapp IDS to put on it instead of the race can. I've heard it fits, has anyone here actually done it? Any surprises in the mounting? Do you think it would be possible to wack the bent end off my V&H inlet pipe, Flare the remaining stub, and adapt it to the race header? The V&H looks the nicest of all the cans to me, and I already have one, so I'd try it if it might work. Does the standard exhaust header and the race header follow the same axis to the rear, or is the race header axis lower and/or further out relative to the engine? Do muffler shops have the equipment to flare an exhaust pipe? Does anyone have an old V&H can that trashed it's mounting tab/ripped it off the lead in pipe but is otherwise in good shape? Wanna sell it real cheap so I can experiment on it? Al | ||
| Kevyn |
Al, suggest that you just go on over to a muffler shop and see what they have in the way of adapters from the header to the muffler inlet...a simple 2.5 reduced to 2.0 shouldn't be too difficult to come up with for a well equipped shop. You can adapt with little difficulty a SuperTrapp external disc unit to the race header; Der_Hund@webtv.net can hook you up with complete details. Good luck, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year Buell On Kevyn S1/M2/68XLCH | ||
| Tat2steve |
Seeeu911, I just got a digital camera so as soon as I figure it out I'll post pictures. Loki, I ended up doing the same thing, works fine. The only mistake I made was sending my headers to Jett-Hot for coating. They were and are a bunch of slugs.I would never send anything to those pukes again. They're the rudest bunch of rats I've come across in a while. Thanks for your help and input on mounting The Boss. tat2steve | ||
| Kevyn |
Oh yeah, anybody have a parts number for the race headers that fit the '99 M2/S3 frames? kevyn S1/M2/68XLCH | ||
| Jiml |
Kevyn, The part # for the race header that fits the 99M2 is 91423-99Y. Now part # for 99S3 65400-99Y. The difference being in that the S3 has fitting for the O2 sensor. Hope this helps. ride safe, jiml 96S1 99S3 | ||
| Al_Lighton |
Kevyn, It's not a 2.5"-to-2" I'm looking for, my S1W already has the 2.5" header and V&H can. It's the swelled first 1.5 inches of the muffler stub pipe that I'd need worked into the V&H stub, just like on the current 90 degree 2.5" stub fits on the shorter stock collector. So I wouldn't need to swell it much, but I didn't know if muffler shops even have a tube-swelling tool, if there is such a thing. I'd probably need to slot it too, but I have tools for that. Thanks for the connection, I'll email him! Al | ||
| Loki |
Al, Any muff shop that does custom work. They should have an expander, most times it is integral to the hrydraulic benders they use. Just remembering when I did the duals on my SuperSport way back when. tat2steve, Sometimes I wish I was still up north. I had a small time machinist/welder I did biz with. He had his hands into just about everything. Had a cooker for doing medium sized projects, had just bought a plasma cutter, and a couple other cool toys. Most of his work came from the local racers. Dirt cars are always getting broken. If I were still up that way he would be doing the header right now. along with some other small items that require powdercoating. then it was also just a 25 miles to get to Crossroads Perf. loki loki | ||
| Buellriderm2 |
Loki, The front wrap on my BOSS fit around the pipe perfectly, so maybe yours is bad. The only thing I did was bend the two tabs at a slight angle because the mount was even with the start of the elbow on the front of the pipe. I didn't even use the donut. A word of advice to anyone installing the boss who is having trouble getting the tabs to pull together: get the wrap on the pipe, and then squeeze it together with pliers. At the same time use a zip tie to tighten the two pieces together, then simply move the wrap into place and slide the bolt right through. Once you get the bolt started, slice the tie off. This will save you a lot of sweat trying to hold the clamp together while you're feeding the bolt through, especially on the back mount. The results of installing the Boss and forcewinder together are pretty impressive. A lot more power through the entire curve, and much smoother, more powerful response in the low and mid-range. Plus, the sound of the BOSS is so clean and full of bass. I couldn't help goosing it at stop lights. Definitely a must have to round out the total holligan package. My bike got a bigger jet when I originally put a K&N in the stock air box last spring, and judging from just riding it today, I don't think I should have to change it again. Living in Colorado, I don't have a lot of air to work with anyway, and it's all to easy to give the engine too much fuel. I'm going to run the new set-up on the dyno soon to see where I'm at HP and torque-wise. I'll let you guys know what kind of numbers I get out of it. Also, I'll try and post some pics soon of how I mounted my BOSS, since Daytona HD seems to be unable to give us some kind of instructions. -Justin | ||
| Loki |
Justin, My plan is to go to Daytona HD and personally let them see that the clamp aint gonna cut it. Just thought of something. What if the clamp they are currently(apparently) is designed for the new hanger. That would explain why the clamp will not close completely. For it is designed to be pinched between the two sides of it. Anyone by chance have that measurement handy? That is on the new style mount between the mounting bosses. This could explain a lot...... loki | ||
| Tat2steve |
Justin, Where are you in Colorado? I'm in Colo. Spgs. tat2steve | ||
| Buellriderm2 |
tat2Steve I live up in Longmont. I haven't ride down around the Springs, but there's a lot of good runs around here up to Estes Park or up the Big Thompson Canyon. Big Thompson is probably 20 miles and the longest straightaway is maybe a hundred yards long, definitely a big fix for any twisty junkie. Loki, I just ordered my pipe last week, and my clamp works, so I don't think they would have changed to the new hanger that fast, maybe you just got a bad one. I mounted mine in this order starting fom the inside: nut, lock washer, a washer as big as the bushing, then the bushings, on the outside of the mount I squeezed both tabs together, another lock washer and the head of the bolt. I used the big washer on the inside of the mount because the way the Boss hangs, it doesn't just pull down like the stock exhaust, it's going to pull to one side. The big washer should keep it from trying to pull through the hole. I rode about 100 miles the past couple days after hanging the pipe, and so far everything is cool, bolts have stayed tight and the mounts haven't slipped one way or the other. LOKI: I also wanted to ask you since you have the force too, After I rode today, and parked my bike I heard this breathing noise from my carb and what sounded like coffee percolating. Is this just the breather, and I haven't heard it before because of the air box, or do I have something strange happening? -Justin | ||
| Loki |
Justin, As for the coffee brewing going on, I can't answer that one. Are you carbed or injected? My M2 hasn't produced anything along that line. Did you happen to notice that you can hear it inhale over the exhaling with the BOSS. Just sounds mean... I don't know what to say about the front clamp deal. Unless a 2" version was made, thats the only way mine will wrap(completely) around the pipe. They will need to come up with something like what I figure to accommadate the new hanger mount though. Until I can talk to the parts guy up there the answer will be in limbo. What year is your bike? When I had the shop order it I made sure that Daytona new for sure that it was going on a 2k M2. I am gonna bet that mine is set-up for the newer mount though. If that is the case the mount is getting replaced also. After talking to D-town HD there is only three versions of the pipe. A 2.5", 3"(now available) and a full 'race only' version. I can only imagine just how loud that one is. Will let you know what I dig up this week loki | ||
| Djkaplan |
What was I thimking... er, thinking? Thanks to everyone who said my V&H was... uh, dangling. I did indeed mount it incorrectly. I think I may have unwittingly started a low riding pipe trend around here. I knew it went on too easily. This is a good example of what this website should be about. Thanks for the info! | ||
| Buddah |
OK, I've been reading all about these BOSS pipes. So, just how loud are they? I do some long rides and pipes that are too loud get a bit old after the first 1-200 miles. And, it's always nice to NOT •••• off the neighbors when you warm up the bike at 5:30 am. I'm not displeased with the overall performance of my 99 S3T but a little bit more oomph is never a bad thing. For all you Buelligans out there, what's your overall verdict -- BOSS good? BOSS bad? Overpriced, or good value? There aren't many of us out there so I value your opinions. Cheers, Buddah | ||
| Buellriderm2 |
Buddah, The BOSS has been great for me so far, but you may or may not like it. It will tick off your neighbors if you have to wrap the throttle a couple times to warm your bike up. On the other hand it's only really loud when you rev the engine, at idle it just has a deep rumble to it, but by no means is it loud then. On the road it purrs right along. Like Loki said, it sounds more like a tiger than a tabby, but I could ride all day long without the sound getting to be too much. If you hold a steady rpm you'll hardly notice it's there. Also, everyone I've talked to so far whose heard my pipe says it has the best sound of all the Buell cans available now. Guys who've run Borla and Vance and Hines said they liked mine better for it's sound. Value wise, I think it's a good buy. My 2.5" was $325 and another $18 to ship it here to Colorado. The finish on it maybe isn't as professional looking as the Borla or the Vance and Hines, but then again neither of those mufflers looks very good when it's bouncing down the road behind you after it breaks and falls off. The mounting system on the BOSS is very solid. I don't foresee any problems with it because there aren't any welds to bust. Overall, if you're going to hang a new can on your bike the BOSS is as good as any, and probably better than most. You'll get the extra power you want. (put a K&N element in your airbox too, then you'll be breathing beter on both ends. The EFI should figure out the rest for you.) Loki - Did you get your new clamp yet? The Buell mechanic in Fort Collins looked at my bike and said the gurgle was just oil bubbling down from the top end of the motor, and that I could just hear it more because of the airbox being off. All I had to do to set up my jetting was turn my pilot out a quarter turn. They put a bigger jet in it earlier, and it still has almost a whole turn of adjustment left until I'll need to go any bigger. I'm loving my bike more and more with the hop-ups. The motor is spinning like a top, the force is suking and the Boss is barking, I swear I'm in heaven. -Justin | ||
| Loki |
Buddah, Yes it will be loud, real loud compared to the stock can. I have yet to hear anyone complain when I come home at 2 am. I live in an apartment complex and such. I had a sheriff ride right beside me the other day(on his hog) and he didn't even flinch. It will set off car alarms..... I do not regret putting the BOSS on my M2. Right now it is just starting to get that bronze color stainless steel seems to like. I just now ride with a good set of ear plugs. A good set of form fitting ones. On short hops I don't use them, I like to get the full effect. BRM2, Not yet, talked to D-town HD the other day though. They said to drop by and they wil take a look at it. So saturday I make the trip. just got my M2 back from Melbourne HD this morning(thur). As long as the front rocker box was leaking, they went ahead and did the rear one at the same time. Hmmmm, my opinion of them goes up. Talked to the owner about the 01 shock. As of now I don't get to replace my SRP kitted shock. Saw a 01 M2 low: like the seat, forget the new shifter(like my BANKE), want the shock!, the plastic dash has to go. loki | ||
| Cyclonem2drew |
Loki - Do you wear an open helmet or a full face? I'm trying to figure if I'll need earplugs with my closed helmet on my M2 with the BOSS! (I asked the service guys the same question, and they called me a Nancy!) | ||
| Buddah |
buellriderm2 & Justin, Thanks for the quick feedback. The price doesn't sound too bad -- at least considering what most systems run these days. I'd like to have a nice gurgle coming out of Xena (HEY! It's a Harley engine so it has 2 big jugs ;-) ). I just turned 10,000 miles a few weeks before Christmas - it took me 11 months - and I've had 11 exhaust failures (grommets, welds, brackets,cracks, you name it). I want BMC to take care of their obligations and give me a reliable bike but I don't want to make payments on a paperweight, either. Thanks again, Cheers, Buddah | ||
| Hans |
If you want to be careful for that extremely fine organ as your inner ear which is sensible for the sound of a falling snowflake you need earplugs always: not for the sound of your can but the storm of +120 mph around your head with or without full face helmet. Time is long ago that an artillerist WITHOUT progressive hearing loss was called a Nancy. Now just plain stupid. And damage goes without pain. Ask me if you want to know more about motoring and hearing loss. Such service guy talk makes me really angry. Ride&Smile&plug your ears. Hans. | ||
| Buellriderm2 |
I have pics of my mounted BOSS on my website. I'm on webtv, so I don't have any way to upload them to here, but you can see them at http://community.webtv.net/buellriderm2 Then click on the link that says Justin's Roadhouse. The pic is on the second page, just follow the links at the bottom right of each page to navigate through my site. For some reference. My BOSS is the 2.5" mounted on a '99 Cyclone. I didn't use the rubber donuts, and I twisted the front clamp slightly to conform with the elbow of the pipe. -Justin | ||
| S2no1 |
Cyclonemn2Drew, I'm not as polite as Hans, the question is do you want to hear you children or grandchildren after you've ridden a few years or would you prefer to need hearing aids or be deaf in some ranges? The noise from any helmet is in the range that OSHA watches for long term exposure. If you are riding more than 30 minutes the wind noise can cause hearing damage. The service guys are plain dumb. As far as the Boss, I haven't tried it, but I've yet to hear anyone complain about the durability, however, I understand that the installation instructions are vague. Arvel | ||
| Loki |
M2Drew, I wear a SHOEI RF700(needs to be replaced soon). Even with a full face you will still want ear plugs. The darn thing will be breathing out right below your left ear. I messed my hearing up long ago. I am an aviation mech, for the longest time no one really paid heed to our hearing. Just find a comfortable set and use them. Arvel, vague is not the word for them, try non-existant. Off to the BOSS headquarters later today. They want to see about the front clamp not quite fitting around my pipe. loki | ||
| Troop |
Soft rubber ear plugs will only mute the sound. You'll still be able to hear the "effects" of the exhaust. | ||
| Loki |
A note from beyond: The BOSS From the designers standpoint, the pipe was designed to compliment the FORCE induction package. The removal of the H-box and replacing it with the FORCE. This actually gives you a loss of HP with the stock muffler. The BOSS was designed to give you back what was lost and possibly a little extra. The BOSS really only compliments the FORCE and possibly other hi-flow intakes(his statement). I have also seen the errors of my mounting ways. The proper front install will have pics taken and posted for all. We discussed a few other things as well. On the lifetime warranty deal for it. It is not the life of the bike! The lifetime covers your lifetime. Now that is what I call a warranty. He kinda likes my puke can mount and plumbing. loki | ||
| S2no1 |
Loki, I've sent them some E-mail without a response (long time ago). Do they make a BOSS for the S2? Arvel | ||
| Loki |
Arvel, Unless you have a 2 1/2" collector on your header.... Forget the email thing, best off to call. You need to talk to Rek Kinsey. He be the man, the father of all things BOSS in nature. After finally meeting this fellow, I came away impressed. Daytona HD (904)253-2453, I misplaced the 1-800 number for them. loki to my knowledge at this time: There are three versions of the Daytona Boss. A 2.5" , 3", and a race only version. As for mounting the Boss: The front clamp stradles the the old style hanger. The grommets go on the outside of the clamp flanges. Then use a bolt(of sufficient length), two washers, and a good nut. | ||
| Buellzebub |
what is the real difference between the stock pipe and the race pipe [98s1], more top end? what would be better for a rider that spends most of the time between 2500-6200 rpms, i want torque rather than HP. also which can would you recommend? | ||
| Jmartz |
The longer primary tubes of the "race" exahust recover a bit of torque at lower rpm. | ||
| Fastback69 |
Are the longer primaries the only difference between the race and stock header? For some reason I thought the primaries were larger in diameter, too. Is there a different header for the '99-up models? I'm thinking about getting one for my '00 M2. | ||
| Buellriderm2 |
-LOKI- You talked to Rek about mounting your pipe right. The clamp I got, there's no way the flanges would squeeze in such a way that the holes would be even if it was open around the mount. My clamp was just right for both flanges to squeeze directly together. Plus, I don't know how they would help if they were just outside the bushings. The bushing would still be doing all the work. Do you have any pictures of yours mounted yet, could you post them so I can see what you're saying. Thanks Justin |
