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Simond
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 03:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Can any one tell me how to visually identify one from the other? People tell me that all S2s were fitted with Marchesini wheels but mine look identical to those on my 2000 X1 - which I assume to be Castalloy.
My S2T is a late one (396/398) and was built in April '96. There are certainly no Marchesini markings on the rim as I have seen on earlier bikes.
Thanks for any help.
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Buelliedan
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 08:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I believe there might be an "M" on one of the spokes which designates it as a Marchesini. I will check mine tonight and let you know.
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Azbueller
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 09:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes there is a "M" cast on one of the spokes of each wheel and a "Marchesini" sticker on the outside lip next to the tire.
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 05:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

From the wheel people:


quote:

As for the wheels,
Any Buell aficionado would know that there is a visual difference between the Marchesini wheels and the Castalloy. The differences are that cast into each spoke is an "M" for Marchesini and a "Buell" for the Castalloy ones.


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Buelliedan
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 08:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So I guess I am an aficionado now!
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Simond
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

...and I'm not!










One day.................
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Buelliedan
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 03:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Simond,
you own 2 Buells, one being an S2, in a foreign country where S2s were rarer than good teeth. ; ) I'd say that makes you an aficionado as well.

(Message edited by buelliedan on March 02, 2005)
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Jon
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 03:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Judging from Simond's profile and photo I would say he is an aficionado.
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Simond
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 04:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I suppose that I was expecting a more marked difference between the two wheel manufacturers. They seem so similar in all other respects.

I was also trying to pick up some spare wheels for track day use and wanted to know what I was getting. Thanks for the info Dan/Court.
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Simond
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 06:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh.... and I assume that they are interchangeable.......?
If someone could save me the effort of switching them around to confirm......
Cheers
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Buelliedan
Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 11:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

they are interchangeable. No problems there.
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Court
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 05:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Simon:

When do you need the wheels? I keep spares here at the house that haven't been used for 3 years. You are welcome to try them, use them for track days or whatever.
: )
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Court
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 05:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>Judging from Simond's profile and photo I would say he is an aficionado.

I've met Simon....the Buell hooks are firmly in him and he has a young apprentice in training.

: )
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Simond
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 09:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the offer Court but it will probably be just as easy to pick up some over here.
I haven't got any dates fixed yet and if this year is anything like the last couple they could just sit in my garage unused instead of in yours!
I'll keep it in mind though in case I have trouble in the future.
Cheers
Simon
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Al_lighton
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 09:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Simon,
Though they look identical in most respects other than labels, the Marchesini versions are typically about 1 lb lighter per wheel. The Castalloys appear to have a smoother finish, and it would not surprise me if they used a different casting alloy or process. I would not be surprised to learn that Marchesinis may have greater casting porosity, but I have no evidence of that. From what little I've gathered over the years, the switch at Buell was due to supply issues (i.e. cost and delivery) and not quality issues, but again, I have no evidence of that.

I'd say you're definitely an aficionado!
Al
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Steveshakeshaft
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 10:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Simon, I've seen wheels semi-regularly on EBay. If you keep a look out on there maybe you'll get fixed up.

Regards

Steve.
steve_s@ukbeg.com
www.ukbeg.com
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Simond
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 10:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm watching at the moment Steve!
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Moxnix
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just for my curiosity, how much heavier are PMs than Marchesini wheels? Are PMs given to flex at high speeds in LSR racing?
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Rick_a
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 05:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can tell you first hand that the PM's are tough. I've jumped my bike hard enough to explode the bottom out bumpers in my fork (damn railroad track crossings). Wheels are still round and true. I think they're close to 2 lbs heavier each. Most of the weight is in the hubs...the bolt-on adapter plates are solid aluminum. The cast wheels have hollow hubs.
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1313
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 09:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

From the spring 1997 (Volume 1 Issue 3) issue of Battle 2Win comes this chart of wheel weights and sizes, comparing the Marchesini, Castalloy and PM wheels.
Wheel weights
Of course the PM's referenced in the article are the 1995-2000 style PM's.

For those unaware, Battle 2Win was THE bible for Buell motorcycle enthusiast's put out by Reg Kitrelle. I, for one, sorely miss Battle 2Win!

1313
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Awprior
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 09:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1313,
I've got nearly all of them, usually browse through one every evening just to chill out. Wonder if anything like that will ever come along again.

Hell, there's even a story behind Parkway Blue, and Court's Barney bike! He'll tell us all someday...
Alex
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Moxnix
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 09:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the definitive info.
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Firemanjim
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 03:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Erik once mentioned at one of the early meets that the Marchesini people (Italians)could not seem to hold to any sort of delivery schedule.You know,when we get around to it---
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Simond
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 03:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1313,
useful info. Thanks.

Al,
could you add the weights of the various wheels that you sell to that list?
Thanks
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Moxnix
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 01:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fireman Jim, are you using PMs for your LSR bike? Stability opinion? Results? I'm looking at replacing some carbon fiber wheels (on a non-Buell) and want heaviest practical wheel with as little run-out as possible for the application.
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José_quiñones
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 06:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just got myself this one on Ebay



Now I have to find the rear wheel.

Brankin, guess what bike this wheel will be going on.
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Rex
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 06:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

my wheels..rex

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Rex
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 07:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dual perimeter front brakes and wheel from braking, and American Sport Bike, Al....REX
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1313
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 08:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jose,

Hmmmm, my guess is the pic below is the look (wheelwise at least) that you are going for...
V-Rod with Buell tuber wheels
1313
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Chewy
Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 11:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey, I was reading about that vrod wheel swap. It seams that the drag racers like the lighter Buell wheels on the strip.
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Rick_a
Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 01:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've seen V-Rods and Sportsters with entire XB front ends.
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