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Hdbobwithabuell
Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 09:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

While getting a ride to lunch today, I noticed my friend has a Obama sticker in his window. Strange, because a few weeks ago, we all took a little on-line quiz that matched you up with the candidate that best fit your ideals. This guy had more republicans listed as fitting him than I did and Obama wasn't even listed. As a matter fact, he didnt have any Dem's listed.
He believes in the second amendment and the right to defend yourself by owning firearms. We've has several discussions about Mr. Obama's stance on the subject.

Did I mention that my friend is African American?
When I asked about the Obama sticker and why he would vote for him, he replied "I'll be honest. Mostly because he's black"
I decided to let it go at that but feel I've lost about 80% of the respect I had for him. Can people really be so short sighted as to vote against all of their ideals for the sake of race?
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 09:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Women are voting for Clinton just because she's woman. Same thing.
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Cyclonemduece
Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 09:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Types like that dont make up enough of the population to actually make a difference by going to the polls if they feel like casting a vote for those reasons. IMO
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 09:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm gonna vote for the cracker!..... a... HONKEY HONKEY!!! where did that come from?!...I meant squid... oops Republican..
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Spacemonkey
Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 09:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Can people really be so short sighted as to vote against all of their ideals for the sake of race?"

sadly, yes. i think that if everyone stopped worrying about the race, sex, age or party affiliation of the canidates and just voted for the one most qualified for the job we'd be much better off.
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Iamike
Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 09:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Why do you think that we keep getting the leaders that we do? Some of the best ones get tossed out early because they don't have the looks or charisma or name.....

There is a great possibility of having our next president be someone with absolutely no experience yet, no telling he may be a great one. You just never know.
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Tramp
Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 10:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

let's be honest- in a field of black candidates, with only one white one, wouldn't most of you honestly vote for the fellow caucasoid?

(Message edited by tramp on May 29, 2008)
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 10:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)



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Firebolteric_ma
Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 11:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)



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Nevrenuf
Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 11:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

no! if it was collin powell running instead, i would definitely run for him instead of the others. i am and have been a democrat for years but reguardless who gets the nod, i will jump party lines. the only thing i can say is "god help us all"
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4cammer
Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 11:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hmmmmm...... your friend know about the other part of him that is rarely mentioned? Yeah, he is also white. Hard to cast one half of a vote.


"let's be honest- in a field of black candidates, with only one white one, wouldn't most of you honestly vote for the fellow caucasoid?"

No. It would depend on who was running. Really. And I am as white as a saltine cracker. }
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Dynasport
Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 11:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Is a caucasoid the science fiction version of a caucasian? Being uneducated words like that make my head hurt.
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Tom_b
Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 12:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

when a muslim runs, I'll vote for him. ALLAH AKBAR! by the way i'm a midwestern white guy who owns guns, rides several different style of cycles, has a few tattoos and owns his own business.WTF difference does the so called the profile make? I'll vote for tramp, only guy on this board besides me who has ridden his buell in the snow on purpose
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Bigblock
Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 12:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Nah, Court has, too, and I've seen the pics to prove it...
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Rainman
Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 07:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Uh, I've ridden the Blast in freezing rain, snow and one severe thunderstorm with a microbursts and tornado warning.

Unfortunately, I didn't do them on purpose.

As for voting for a fellow white guy, I've voted for the Natural Law Party, Clinton, Bush I, Bush II, Mondale, Anderson, Ford, Nader. Hellsbells I'll vote for ANYONE, including Court.

He's not running is he?

(Message edited by Rainman on May 30, 2008)
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Glitch
Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 07:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bob Barr will stir the pot
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Brumbear
Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 07:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I like snow
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Glitch
Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 07:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ya know what?
I'm thinking this is just backwards as hell.
People shouldn't be afraid of the government.
Government should be afraid of the people.
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Indy_bueller
Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 07:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

+100 Glitch!
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Rubberdown
Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 07:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Business interests run the country and all politicians do their bidding. I'm not convinced it make any difference who is in office. Any initiatives proposed by an idealist elected official will be watered down in compromise to the point it's an ineffective exercise.

I propose we ban all handcarts as that may slow our decent into hell.

Obama will be our next president.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 08:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

We should vote for the best Vice President.....

One is to old and may not make it 4 more years......

and the other may have some problems waiting for him......
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Reepicheep
Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 08:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It sounds cliche, but I really would vote for who I believe is best. In fact, all other things being equal, I would lean towards a minority or a woman, just because their differences might bring a little new insight. Of course, all things are never really equal...

I wish we had a strict constitutional constructionalist who is a fiscal conservative... but we seem fresh out of those.

Ironically, my beef with Obama is that he has made several comments and had close associations that I believe to be bigoted. I ignored the first, but they seem to be stacking up. Had a white made those statements or had those kind of un-renounced associations, I would have dropped him in half a heartbeat, no matter how else he may agree or disagree with me.
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Glitch
Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 08:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

... but we seem fresh out of those.
Fresh out?
Fresh?
We've been out of those for quite some time.
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Hdbobwithabuell
Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 08:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"let's be honest- in a field of black candidates, with only one white one, wouldn't most of you honestly vote for the fellow caucasoid?"

Even if he/she stood opposite of most of my views? HELL NO!
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Sath
Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 08:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I vote for who supports my beliefs. 1.Pro gun rights, 2.anti abortion, 3.pro death penalty, 4.marriage amendment. Pro military.
I don't care what color or gender they are as long as they support these.
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Zane
Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 09:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm a lily white male and I have no problem voting for a female or for a black. What I do have a problem with is voting for this particular woman and this particular black. At the local and state level I have voted for woman and minority candidates BECAUSE THEY WERE THE BEST CANDIDATES!!! I don't give a rat’s arse where their great great grandfather was born or which bathroom they go into. I just want good government.

I want government that spends less, grows less and stays out of my life as much as is reasonably possible. I want government as much as possible to keep its hand out of my pocket. I want a President who appoints judges than interpret the law, not make it. But like Mick Jagger said: “you don't always get what you want.”
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Swampy
Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 09:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

There are still two republican candidates running

Mcain and Ron Paul!

Ron Paul 2008

After that I'm voting with Tom b.

Tramp for President!

I like frogs
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Clarkjw
Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 10:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It's less about race and more about what race implies: commonality. Many blacks feel cultural connections. At the presidential, it's really about whether you believe he's a person of character and strength. It's easier to believe he'll make judgements like you when he looks like and has lived through the same struggles as you. So, I don't believe it's cause he's black. It's cause "he's like me". "Black" means more than skin color, just look at a history book.
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Djkaplan
Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 01:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A bucket of sand would be better than the leadership we've had for the last two terms.... I used to be a staunch Replublican... now I say to hell with all partisan politics.

I embrace what ever change we are going to go through.
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Swampy
Posted on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 03:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Djkaplan,
Yes, but will you be able to recognize our country after the change.....

I would feel much safer with Tramp. He is a known commodity.
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