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Trakmastr
Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 04:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I just changed oil/filter at about 1900 mi. and was worried that by doing so myself I might void the warranty. Not sure of this I made my way to the dealer to find out the scoop. I was told that if I changed oil and filter, I should keep all receipts as proof and that there should not be any trouble with warranty issues.
The dealer then asked if I was using synthetic. I told him no, that I used real and I asked when would be the time to switch? His reply was at the 1000 mi. service.
Any opinions on the warranty info. I got and when the correct time to use the fake or should I remain with the real for awhile?
Thanks . . . KA
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 04:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You are not required by law to have the dealer complete routine maintenance in order to keep your warranty in force. Simply keep the records of oil and filter purchase.

I wouldn't change to Synthetic until at least 3,000 miles. Your rings will probably be seated by then, but the additional wear and tear will be minimal from conventional vs. synthetic.

My $.02. Spend it wisely.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 10:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I concur with FB's assessment. If you read through old posts here, the majority of Uly riders report their engines continue to run freer and cooler as they rack up the miles, well in excess of 1000 miles. That would seem to indicate the engines are a long ways from being fully broken in at 1000 miles. It makes sense to me to keep conventional oil in the engine until the break-in is complete.

I waited until ~5500 miles for the change to synth and I don't think that was too late by any means.
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Gotj
Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 10:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I started using synthetic at the first oil change. Almost all high-end cars come with it from the factory. That ring seating myth has been around entirely too long. But if it FEELS right for you to stay with the dino stuff longer, just DO it. ANY good oil will do the job with no problems for as long as you choose to use it.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 11:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I changed my oil at 50, 500, 1000, 2500, and 5,000 miles.

The rings either seat or they don't. With the change intervals I was running, it really wouldn't matter what I was using to lube the engine. I barely had time to get dirty.

Conversely, it wouldn't make any difference if synthetic was used. If the ring thing is a rumor, changing later won't really hurt anything. If it's true, changing earlier will make a difference.

I tend to err on the side of caution.
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Rwven
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 07:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If you buy all of your supplies from the Buell/Harley dealer I believe that they track your purchases in their computer system. I know they ask for my name and it brings up my data.

(Message edited by rwven on May 22, 2008)
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Packdog
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 08:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm with FB on this one.

I waited for the 3K change to switch to synthetic - I did a few extra oil changes in the first 5K. At the 5K point I started changing oil every 5K as recommended.

Having said that, every dealer mechanic I have talked to about it has said they tell customers to switch at the 1K service.
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Moedaddy13
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 08:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

all screamin eagle bikes come with syn3 out of the box.i work at a dealership and you can do your own services,just keep records.some dealerships try to scare people into getting there bike serviced there,thats just not right.not everyone can afford $75.00 labor rates.i know i can't
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 10:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You don't void your warranty, but keep GOOD records (date, mileage, materials receipts).

I switch mine over at the first oil change with no issues.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 11:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I buy my oil at the local HD shop. They have records of every purchase.
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Skrobe
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

In 1975 Congress passed the Magnussen-Moss Warranty Act-- Public Law 93-637. 15 U.S.C. ยง 2301.

One of the provisions within the act stipulates that manufacturer's cannot mandate that a consumer must use their dealer network to perform regular maintenance as a "condition of warranty", unless the service was provided at "no cost" to the consumer. You MUST however use "approved" products to perform the service. Many of the service writers in dealerships weren't even born when this act was passed. it is not surprising that they are not familiar with it. As stated in previous posts, you must keep good records. Like FB, I too purchase all my oil and filters from my dealer and keep the receipts showing I used approved parts.
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