| Author | Message | ||
     Mistaandypants |
I have a stock 02 M2. I'm doing some upgrades. I'm looking at getting a forcewinder intake. But I am a little confused with pipe choices. I've narrowed it down to 3 choices: Borla, White Bros., supertrapp IDS. I would like to know anyones recomendations and why? I would like to get it in the next few days. Thanks in advance | ||
| Aaron |
Be sure to read this page before you hang that Forcewinder onto your CV. Of those 3 mufflers, the Supertrapp is built the beefiest. It works reasonably well. It's also probably the heaviest of the 3. The E-series works well and is light but the one I tried didn't fit my M2 worth a damn. Never tried the Borla. | ||
| Mistaandypants |
Thanks Aaron, I saw that earlier. My Dealer is going to do the installation since I have no tools or mech. abilities yet. But I've been reading and trying to learn as much as I can. I would like to one day do all my own work. But I'm just not there yet. I've printed it out and will show them. I think your results appear quite convincing. Is it just cheaper to manufacture that way? I don't understand why they changed it. Doesn't make sense to me. Thanks for the pipe info. also. | ||
| Blake |
Borla ROCKS! Best sounding aftermarket muffler (IMHO  ) and built like a tank. I have the CF Borla on my M2. It has withstood some pretty severe punishment. | ||
| Peter |
Mistaandypants, I have used the old Supertrapp, the new IDS version and now how a full Borla system on my '00 M2. The full system has individual headers going into the muffler, which also has individual chambers in it, before exiting out a single turnout at the rear. I haven't dyno'd it, but seat of the pants says it's my favourite to date. My M2 is European so it already has the #15 grind Lightning cams in it. That will make a difference to your results. PPiA | ||
| Leeaw |
I have the new Buell Pro series, aka new Supertrapp, and am very pleased with it over my V&H. 13 disks only, and the front is noticably stronger. I got a bunch of diska and caps to play with. I don't think you can go wrong with it, and with Guide One Ins, they cover add-on Buell parts without a rider. Peter, PICS!!!! | ||
| Mistaandypants |
Hey Blake The Borla is what my dealer is recomending. He was raving about the sound. They put one on the owners S3. Did you have to beef up the mounting any or did it work well out the box? is this the part number? 08-762 I found one for $281 is that good? ASB and Sporttwin don't seem to carry it. Thanks | ||
| Blake |
MAP, Not sure of the part number. I did add a beefier band-type clamp to the front mount. Picked it up at http://www.mcmaster.com; check out part #'s 4483K13 and 5443K29. These clamps will not break. Check size to be sure of proper fit. Mine uses a front mount that is very much like the race header front mount. | ||
| Mistaandypants |
Another question about the Borla. I remember reading in the archives that the Borla will help top end but not midrange power. Is this true? I want my power in the mid range. Will the White Bros. or Supertrapp IDS be a better choice for this? Thanks everyone for your help so far. | ||
| Mistaandypants |
I forgot to say I will be adding a forcewinder and rejet also. So take that into account. | ||
| Blake |
Mr. Andy Trousers, The good aftermarket slip-on mufflers I've seen usually improve midrange but rarely improved top end power. Most WILL, along with requisite jetting/race ECM significantly improve mid-range. The Borla is one of the best I've seen. My Borla certainly works well in that respect. You won't be unhappy if you choose the Borla. | ||
| Mistaandypants |
Thanks Blake, That's what I needed to hear. I'm buying the Borla. I will quit pestering you now. Back In lurk mode until next time. SeñorAndyPantalones | ||
| Mistaandypants |
Crap!! Borla is out of the motorcycle muffler business. I just called them. looks like it will have to be a supertrapp. | ||
| Hans |
Mist etc: Try https://www.autosupermart.com/shop/ Maybe they have the Borlas still in stock. Hans | ||
| Mistaandypants |
Thanks Hans, You guys are great! One question though, They say the pipe is for 99-00 M2. Was there a header change after 2000 or will it fit my 2002 M2 Thanks again. This site never ceases to amaze me. It really is the best resource for all things Buell. | ||
| Hans |
Mist etc. : You looked at the slip on mufflers. The 98 and older headers were build with the aft one outside the frame tube. Then the frame was widened and from '99 onwards both headers were inside the frame tubing. The headers are always 1.75 inch wide but the collector can be 2 inch or 2.5 inch. In Europe we have always the smaller collectors but if I remember well: The USA version M2 header was changed in '99 to the wider collector (= end pipe), just as the race version always had. The race headers are bent slightly different. Because I want to have a full Borla exhaust system, the X1 version for me is right because the collector dimension does not matter then. As Peter said: The X1 version has a O2 sensor screw thread in the backward header for the electronic fuel injection. And that screwthread you can use on the M2 for an O2 sensor to measure your mixture: That is even more interesting than dyno pulls because you can measure during normal driving circumstances with half throttle or less. I hope that somebody with more trustworthy knowledge about the different headers will jump in here. Hans with some help from admin | ||
| Mistaandypants |
Basically my question is: Will a slip-on Borla muffler for a 2000 model fit a 2002 without modifications? (if I read your post correctly No, since the collector is a different size?) still wondering... | ||
| Blake |
All domestic  Buell Twin 1999-2002 headers are geometrically interchangeable/identical. | ||
| Aaron |
"All Buell Twin 1999-2002 headers are geometrically interchangeable/identical." You've never seen a European bike! They have a 2" collector. | ||
| Hans |
Mist&more: As Aaron said: Our European Buells have 2 inch collectors. Different in any sense...But you are well informed now, thanks Blake. Hans. | ||
| Mistaandypants |
OK lets see if I have this right... If I understand this correctly a slip-on muffler for a 2000 DOMESTIC cyclone will fit a 2002 DOMESTIC cyclone? Right? Also, what size is the collector on a DOMESTIC 02 Cyclone? | ||
| Aaron |
Yes, '99-'02 domestic are the same. 2-1/2" | ||
| Mistaandypants |
Gracias Aaron | ||
| Peter |
Hans, If you do order one, also order a plug for the hole from your friendly Buell dealer. (So you don't have to leave the 02 sensor in there when you're not using it). I think it's only listed in the '99 M2 parts book, and is not shown in the picture, only in the list for the Euro spec bikes. The '99 Euro models used the stainless X1 header with the plug. The '99 US models used a steel header. In '00 they all used a stainless M2 header with no hole, so the plug was dropped. Mistaandypants, I'd be very suprised if a '00 muffler wouldn't work on an '02 bike. the only difference is the front muffler hanger, and a lot of '00 bikes have been upgraded to the later version anyway. PPiA Blake,  you're cheating.... | ||
| Mistaandypants |
The muffler saga continues... After waiting 3 weeks for the very last discontinued slip-on from Borla. autosupermart.com has informed me that the muffler was damaged in shipping to them and there are no more mufflers to be had. I really had my heart set on this one, but it was't meant to be. Anyone know where I can find another discontinued slip-on Borla? | ||
| Mikej |
Ask what the damage is, if it's only a ding then ask for a discount. Could be just the box got punctured. Just a hunch | ||
| Blake |
I agree with Mike, the Borla is a very stout piece. You'd pretty much have to drive over it with a truck to do it in. Even then, it might survive in good shape. | ||
| Polekat |
Blake, Are the cf Borla mufflers on the loud side? | ||
| Djkaplan |
I rode with a guy who had a CF Borla on his 99 M2. It was loud. | ||
| Polekat |
I recently went to Hal's (where I bought my Buell) and talked with a mechanic. He started several Buell's with different exhausts. After talking to the mechanic, I decided to install the Buell Pro kit on my M2. I've been very happy with my Buell and Hal's dealership, but wife says we can't afford my stopping there too often :-) | ||
| Aesquire |
2001 M2L, Which is better, the Buell race slip-on or the full header system? Where does the Full race header move the powerband? Also, whats the difference in loudness between systems? Thanks.  | ||
| Aesquire |
I meant Difference in loudness & power all exhaust systems, not just the IDS. | ||
| Sickquad |
I am looking at buying the pro-series race kit for my 2000 M2. Is this kit any good and how is the header muffler combo? Anybody had experience with this kit. I am mostly concerned with power, however I am at odds with my neighbors right now so I am also on the market for how loud the exhaust can be. Thanks Chris |
