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Mfell2112
Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2004 - 04:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hello all,

I was going about 80mph when the front motor mount gave up the ghost today. My rocker box covers prevented the motor from hitting the ground thank God. One of the bolts is busted inside where it bolts to the cylinder. Needless to say I am mad that this happened. Is this what I need to think about from now on when I ride my Buell? Heck I only got 9000 miles on it. Tell me this is a fluke. I am happy that I am alive to talk about it and good thing I got the extended warranty. That bad thing is I am without a bike for a couple of weeks. I thought the isolators went out on me due to the excessive vibration so I rode the bike about five miles and got it to Uke's HD. I was about ready to ride it home when a little voice in my head told me to look the bike over again. I decided to check around the exhaust studs since my buddy Shane T bolts busted last year and that is where i found the problem. I wheeled it right into Uke's. I hate to think about getting that SV 1000. I really want to keep my ride. I just don't want to get killed because motor mounts keep breaking on it. Also, is there anything else I need to check that may have been damaged due to the busted front mount? This is covered by my extended warranty right? Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated.

Regards

Mike
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Richieg150
Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2004 - 04:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Did just the bolt break,or did the head brake also?
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Mfell2112
Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2004 - 04:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It looks like the bolt broke. The mount broke as well. Not a pretty site.

Regards

Mike

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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2004 - 05:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Its up to the dealer to decide whats covered & whats not.

BTW...what happened to you tuesday night? Met up with Vince, Tony & Tomas for the ride to TWT.
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Mfell2112
Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2004 - 07:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sorry i missed you.I really wanted to go however,I ended up working late on Tuesday. I work construction and there are times that we have to work late. They don't tell you you are working late until we are ready to go home. I was with those guys today. Tomas was with me when my motor mount broke. Looks like I won't be riding for awhile unless Uke's wants to hook me up with a loaner bike til mine gets fixed. I asked the guy at the service desk and he said no. I am gonna call Buell and ask them next. That said I may have to go buy a Speed triple and get rid of my Cyclone. The last thing I want to worry about while riding is whether or not my motor is gonna fall off of my bike and kill me.:-)

Regards

Mike
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Crusty
Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2004 - 07:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just to ease your fears, the front mount on my '98 S3 broke in Pennsylvania while on a trip back in '99. I rode the bike with the broken mount nearly 75 miles to Danbury, CT. I don't think you have to worry about the motor falling and launching you into the hereafter.
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2004 - 08:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

But to be safe I sure as hell wouldnt be doing any wheelies like that: D

BTW Mike, the speed triple in the sweet blue color they have & with an underseat exhaust is a fantastic bike. Sounds great too when you crank that triple up.
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Gravedigger
Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 08:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mike,
I had the exact same problem lastyear on my 99 X1. I was kind of disturbed by it also! It is not hard to fix if you can get your hands on the parts. Daves hooked me up and I was back on the road in under a week.

Keith
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Mfell2112
Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 10:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi Keith,

The problem I have here is the mount bolt sheared off in the cylinder. That is gonna be tricky to remove. Did Buell upgrade the front motor mount or are they gonna just give me another pot metal mount as a replacment so I can break it again? If I beat the bike I would expect things like this to happen. The fact is I babied this thing. Maybe I am over reacting to this problem.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 12:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mfell... Are your isolators in good shape? I would think that could unduly stress the front mount.
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Al_lighton
Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 12:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The fix isn't too bad. Get a cobalt left hand drill bit and the right kind of easy out from mcmaster carr. See the multispline extractors located here (the type 2nd from bottom): http://www.mcmaster.com/asp/DisplCtlgPage.asp?ReqTyp=CATALOG&CtlgPgNbr=2673&Ctlg Edition=&RelatedCtlgPgs=2672,2673,2674&sesnextrep=336440542105952&ScreenWidth=11 52&McMMainWidth=759&ToolsetID=ToolPageFlip&ToolsetAct=

and drill bits here: http://www.mcmaster.com/param/asp/psearch.asp?FAM=metaldrills&FT_320=38378&FT_52 3=38181&FT_775=38131&FT_780=38161&FT_781=38764&FT_783=38898&FT_785=38164&desc=Le ft%2DHand+Cobalt+Steel+Drill+Bit

Carefully drill the grade 9 bolt with the left hand cobalt bit, torch the hole with a fine butane flame for a few minutes to cook the loctite, and the bolt will back right out. DO NOT USE A HOME DEPOT EXTRACTOR!!!!

I think there is some resonance in the left mount, causes the left bolt to shear, then the right mount, or worse yet, the head boss, fails, after the rider puts some time on the mount not knowing that the left bolt isn't there. One of my preflight checks is to verify the presence of both of those bolts.

One of the Nallin webbed billet mounts would cure it, I'd bet. We carry them at American Sport Bike, and I tried to link to it but the newurl feature is fighting me. Look at Store>Buell>M2>Engine, it's the first thing in that category. Pricey, but I think it will prevent future bolt failures, and looks good too.

Al
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Gravedigger
Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 01:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mike,
The bolt sheared off in the motor on mine also. I did almost the exact thing that Al is describing, except there is no loctite in this mount. The two different types of metal (steel/aluminum) are what sieze this bolt in place. I was also told not to use loctite on reinstallation due to this same fact.

I put the wheels in stands and placed a floor jack under the front of the motor prior to removing all parts. Once I had all the old parts off and had the new parts installed. I just raised the motor with the floor jack. It went right back into place. Then ran my two new bolts right in. If I remember correctly, the hardest part of the whole job was getting a good angle on the bolt that runs down through the isolator.

I just called Daves in regards to buying the isolator and the mount. I know the isolators were updated but can't remember if the mount was updated. Give him a call, I'm sure he knows.

Sounds like your reaction to this situation is about the same as mine was. Its really not as bad of a job as it looks. If there is anything else that I might be of assistance with, plese feel free to drop me an email.

Keith


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Al_lighton
Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The B-018 Service Bulletin should be followed to the letter on reinstallation of new bolts/mount. They say to use loctite on the threads and oil under the washers, and there is a specific torquing procedure to be followed. New bolts and washers should absolutely be used.

Al
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