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Lemonchili_x1
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 10:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just noticed the specs on Australian buell.com page and noticed horsepower and torque is lower for '09 XB12Ss (and Uly too)... Is there a different tune for Australian models? Please tell me it's a typo!!!

From Australian site XB12Ss specs-
Torque (EU standard EC95/1) 104 Nm / 77 ft. lbs. @ 5500 RPM
Horsepower (EU standard EC95/1) 94 hp / 95 PS / 70 kW @ 6800 RPM

Compared to U.S. site:
Torque (North America per SAE J607) 84 ft. lbs. @ 5500 RPM / 113.9 NM @ 5500 RPM
Horsepower (North America per SAE J607) 103 HP @ 6800 RPM / 103 HP @ 6800 RPM


Yet for the 1125CR the figures are:
Australian site -
Torque (EU standard EC95/1) 111 Nm / 82 ft. lbs. @ 8000 RPM
Horsepower (EU standard EC95/1) 146 hp / 148 PS / 109 kW @ 9800 RPM

U.S. site -
Torque (North America per SAE J607) 82 ft. lbs. / 111 Nm @ 8000 RPM
Horsepower (North America per SAE J607) 146 HP @ 9800 RPM



cheers,
chili
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 03:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Somebody measuring crank vs rear wheel?

They do that with cars, the use bhp which is totally different from the US HP. The stats make the Porsche look positively anemic, damn lil Carrera still kicks butt though.
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Danger_dave
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 06:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The fuel runs out of the frame the opposite way round.
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Greenlantern
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 08:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

American ingenuity can fix that......








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Lemonchili_x1
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 09:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe it is power/torque at the wheel, it's the only thing I can think of. The UK and German sites have the lower figures for all XB12's, and a lower figure for the XB9SX CityX too. The Australian site has lower figure for the SS and Uly, but the higher figure for the XB12R. Probably a screw-up. We don't get the XB9SX for '09 again, that is also a screw-up : (.
Everybody has 146hp for the 1125's though...
So I'm guessing all the bikes are the same, but why the different figures? EU standards?
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Rick_a
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 09:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Different standards is all, I believe...EU EC95 vs NA SAE
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M2nc
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 12:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I believe the EU standard means the Australian bike now has a catalytic converter. The US bikes still do not but its coming. If you look at the headers they are different because the entire exhaust system is different. This system was first seem with the X12XT. The bike in the original promos was a EU bike and many of us commented on the different header then.
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Lemonchili_x1
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 10:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So the Euro bikes with catalytic converter have a drop in horsepower? : (
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 03:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

its the header. the euro bikes have the skinny header that looks like spaghetti. if when the 09's come, and they have the old thick header, it should still be the same old 103hp.
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Lemonchili_x1
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 03:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok, thanks. I found a pic of the Euro XB12XT, it is a noticeably different header pipe. What's weird is they show 103hp for the XB12R, so not really sure which bikes we're getting for '09. I've sent a note to H-D/Buell Australia, I'll wait and see what they say.

I guess that also means that 1125's pass both U.S. and Euro emissions tests in the same tune, ie 146hp for all markets?
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