| Author | Message | ||
     Wolfridgerider |
We are excited to announce that the Rider's Edge department is in the process to translating select Rider's Edge New Rider Course student and facilitation materials to Spanish. The translation is scheduled for completion by mid-August, 2007. They must be getting ready to start Rider's Edge classes in Spain or Mexico. Right?? (Message edited by wolfridgerider on June 29, 2007) | ||
| Terribletim |
No, no. It has to do with the new Immigration Reform policy.  | ||
| Firebolteric_ma |
A good policy would be "Learn To Speak The F'n Language"!!!! | ||
| Wtcardr |
Oh well,If they can't understand Southern drawl, don't come to Rider's Edge class in South Georgia. LEARN ENGLISH, you are in AMERICA. | ||
| Wardan123 |
My post is not to stir controversy but rather to inform... The US has no official language- English is our common language de facto (in practice). If people wish to support an English only policy. There must first be legislation passed declaring English as our national language. | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
Wtcardr, I've spent some time in S. GA. Is it really English that they are speaking? | ||
| Wtcardr |
Johnnylunchbox, It depends on who you are talking to as to whether it is english or not | ||
| Spiderman |
BULL$HIT!! You better believe if I was still a program manager I would send all the Bi-ligual Bull $hit right back to Harley! | ||
| Wtcardr |
BTW The state of Georgia will not allow us to teach class in Spanish. Their thoughts are that if we teach in Spanish, we will also have to offer it in every other language that someone speaks. It would be very hard to not discriminate against someone because they speak a language other than English or Spanish. | ||
| Firebolteric_ma |
Next thing the street signs will be in a different language and "I" will be the one who can't read or speak the F'n language....  | ||
| Rick_a |
Go to any other country and many people are maybe not altogether fluent, but functional in a few languages. Signs are often subtitled in one or two other languages. I don't see any right or wrong in it...people just need to realize that this country doesn't just belong to those that are born here with a European family lineage. IMO if the America's have a rightful owner in any sense it's the original indigenous tribes. It just serves to perpetuate the international stereotype that Americans are fat, lazy, rude, and ignorant. | ||
| Teeps |
indigenous tribes? They came from some where else too... | ||
| Lost_in_ohio |
If your gonna live here.....Learn the language. HD is looking to tap another market. Anyone see the loan sale adds on TV? (Message edited by Lost_in_Ohio on June 30, 2007) | ||
| Rick_a |
My point is that they are the first known inhabitants. To say that English is the American language is a bit close-minded. It is surely the most prevalent and policy to 28 contiguous states. This country was built upon by immigrants. Don't be a bigot. Seriously, take a trip around the world someday. It's a real eye-opener. Hell, even try Canada for a change  . A little history lesson: Constitutional Topic: Official Language No surprise that government spending is the main motivation for adopting an official language. All the facts here: Wikipedia - Languages of the United States Sure, things would be smoother if everyone spoke English, but at least have some tolerance for those that don't. This country belongs to anyone who lives here. Deal with it. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
This country belongs to anyone who lives here. Deal with it. I agree 100% As long as they got here legally and didn't sneak across the boarder | ||
| Tom_b |
rick has a pretty good point even though the spanish language option irritates me too. in italy, greece,japan, germany, turkey, spain, english is a second language on most of the major road signs. english is required in the schools in japan, greece and germany and has been for years. I lived in greece for 3 yrs in the early 80's and japan for 1 yr and most high school kids spoke english quite well. | ||
| Wtcardr |
Well then move to italy, greece, japan, germany, turkey or spain and you will be okay. | ||
| Ryker77 |
They speak English in other countries because its the modern way. --- My grandfather didn't fight in WWII, my day served in the nam era, and I didn't serve 8 years in the Marines to press 1 for English! | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Were we taking a position to make all of our documents available to ALL immigrant groups, I would have less of an issue. Why aren't they in Japanese, Korean, French, German, Chinese, Laotian, Hindi, etc? We are catering to a group of folks who are here illegally. HD, Bank of America, and every other corporation who is taking similar position are aiding and abetting criminal activity by allowing felons to maintain national and cultural separation while shoplifting from our economic, social, and governmental resources. HD is selling us all out in an effort to gain market share among this felon group. Corporations are not our friends in this. I understand individuals with families wanting a better life. I understand risking life and limb to get to the US in an effort to seize that life. What I can not stand are illegal immigrants who seek to pillage our economy and social services but loathe the very country that provides them. Think they don't hate us, talk to an immigrant or two. Ask them if they really want to be citizens of the US. I think you'll be surprised at their answers. PS. The whole "we should be speaking sioux" argument is a red herring. They should be speaking inca, aztec or caveman by that argument. | ||
| Ryker77 |
well put.. | ||
| Tom_b |
wtcardr, i've lived in two of those countries and spent time in the others.when i was in th navy.if the current trend in the US keeps up i may, because there will be no jobs here left for me or for my children. my reason behind the spanish option is how ft bstrd put. he just put it better than i could. I voted, i emailed my congressman and senator about the immigrant bill. did anyone else who is not happy with the current illegal situation? maybe my e-mail and others made a difference, our congressman and senator both changed their votes. We don't need to make english a national language, we need to get our act together before we have no jobs or anything else to protect. if the american people had been doing this all along there wouldn't be a spanish option. | ||
| Ryker77 |
Many if those jobs should be filled by these punk kids roaming the streets or getting FAT playing games at home. I've bailed hay, rebuilt chicken houses, worked at McDonalds. Even clean showers at a truckstop. Todays youth have it too easy. Neighbors fat little kid -- complained his wrist hurt. He played Wii ! ( its a video game) His dad works hard and long hours in a coal mine. But still has to cut grass??? WTF that is what kids are for! | ||
| Eboos |
"Todays youth have it too easy." Ryker, I couldn't agree with you more. I have had legitimate jobs and paid taxes since I was 14. Before that, it was an expectation that I did the yard work. My girlfriend has a younger brother. It sickens me to see how lazy and disrespectful this kid is. She gets mad if I say anything, but I can't help it. I guess it is just how I view the world and the way things should be. I only hope that I am successful in passing on my values to my two children. | ||
| Lost_in_ohio |
Spidey......a few more people in this country need to have the balls to stand up for what they believe in. My hats off to ya. We the people need to grow a pair. Whether the choice is round the all the illegals, irregardless of education or nationality, and send them home or let them stay and conduct all business in english. WE need to figure it out and enforce it. Rick....just curious do you live in a small town, suburb, urban area? How ethnically diverse is your neighborhood? Have you ever had someone knock on your door who could not speak english? It is easy to preach diversity and tolerance from the safety of the burbs or small town america. It is also easy to preach gun control from the safety of the rich white suburbs and small towns. Races in Orange Park: * White Non-Hispanic (80.3%) * Black (11.0%) * Hispanic (4.6%) * Two or more races (1.8%) * Other race (1.4%) * Filipino (1.2%) * American Indian (1.0%) Kinda what I thought (Message edited by Lost_in_Ohio on July 01, 2007) | ||
| Teeps |
Rick_a Posted on Saturday, June 30, 2007 quote: indigenous tribes? They came from some where else too... a bit close-minded. Don't be a bigot. I ask a simple question and you, an alleged Marine Vet, call me closed minded and a bigot. You don't know me; why you calling me names? Oh, just so you know: I lived for 13 months in Korea (legally), I've visited Mexico and Canada many times. (legally, maybe not; but I didn't stay.) My grandparents were immigrants (legal I might add), though they weren't able to assimilate 100%, their children did, and here I am. So don't lecture me about immigration, language, etc. If you're here legally, I don't have a problem with it, regardless of the language you speak. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
Dear Rider's Edge instructor, Please be sure your permit number is the same you write on my waiver so I don't get stuck at the DMV for 3 hours trying to clear up your mess. Thanks, yesthishappenedtome | ||
| Wtcardr |
The year is 1907, one hundred years ago...... Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907. "In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." Theodore Roosevelt 1907 Every American citizen needs to read this! | ||
| Etennuly |
I'd like to hear George jr. read that out loud while at a press conference! | ||
| Essthreetee |
That is a GREAT quote. Thank you for putting that up. That pretty much says it all. | ||
| Rick_a |
I've lived all across these great United States...from the stereotypical rich white suburb to a city where almost half the population is Hispanic/Latin American. What bearing does that have? One interesting item of note is how as a child I had striking Latin American features that attracted a lot of racism from whites, despite the fact that I spoke and wrote better english than most, if not all of the heckling fools...yet as an adult who is most often confused as an Italian I get to hear all the ignorant racial jokes of my compatriots. Biased...sure a little...but for good reason. I agree that illegal aliens really don't do anyone any good (except for taking jobs nobody wants and making some companies a lot of profit), but as of yet they aren't entitled to the same rights as everyone else and nor should they be. It's your fine fellow American blue collar entrepreneurs that are perpetuating the influx of illegals. Like the Rider's Edge Program...all they're seeing is the bottom line...green. Still, as I've said, the language issue has limited significance in the grand scheme of things. It seems to be more an issue amongst the proud, self-proclained "red-blooded" among us. Teeps, I didn't call you a bigot specifically. No need to take it personally, unless you feel the need to take it as such. | ||
| Teeps |
Rick_a Teeps, I didn't call you a bigot specifically. No need to take it personally, unless you feel the need to take it as such. So is this an apology? | ||
| Paint_shaker |
What Teddy Roosevelt said!!! | ||
| Lost_in_ohio |
Jobs nobody wants......That is a very untrue statement. 60 minutes did a piece on this a couple of years ago. They were in LA and interview a number of people at an unemployment office. One gentleman said "I used to cut lawns and landscape for a living." Interview asked "Why not now?" The guy responded "I used to work for the Landscaper and make $12 an hour, I am not gonna do it for $5 an hour." So where did that extra $7 go??????? A business owner taking advantage of undocumented workers at the expensive of American Citizens. Rick....My point is that it is really easy to be a Liberal from suburbs..... | ||
| Ryker77 |
Lost, I now live in souther WV. Not a single insurgent around for miles!. Yet food gets cooked, motels get cleaned, and grass gets cut. etc etc etc. There are a handfull of states that have near zero insurgent take over yet they all have Americans doing the jobs. | ||
| Rick_a |
That's a totally baseless statement, and one that largely doesn't apply. The media can spin a story in any way that suits their agenda. No doubt that happens, but I'm quite sure it's not the most prevalent scenario. Columbus Ohio: 67.93% White 24.47% Black or African American 0.29% Native American 3.44% Asian 0.05% Pacific Islander 1.17% from other races 2.65% from two or more races 2.46% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race ...and this topic is what? | ||
| Alii1959 |
As a business wouldn't it be prudent to print your instructions/give your lectures in the language that gets the point across. If you are working in China Town, it might not be a bad idea to learn a bit of Chinese. Further, if giving the instructions in a different language would increase the likelihood that someone would ride safely, wouldn't it make sense to do so? I really don't understand all of this. I do agree that immigrants should learn English, but it is not the responsibility of the motorcycle instructor to lecture on citizenship, it is his responsibility to give them the tools to be safe. And, wouldn't it foster greater communication between the immigrant groups and the general population if we all worked harder at communication and a little less on preaching regardless of what the government does. Besides, ours is one of the only countries that doesn't require additional languages of our population.....maybe the problem isn't them....unfortunately. As a teacher, I find that few of my students are willing to take the jobs that the Mexicans do, nor are they as tolerant, nor are they as willing to learn additional languages. I teach science, yes we use a bit of Latin, and I can hardly get these kids to do much....they are often told by their parents that they can fail science classes, they won't need them anyway. I wonder if that is the same that they are told about languages? Sorry, I have stepped from behind the pulpit....I'll creep back to my corner.....and be quiet. | ||
| Buellrider11960 |
 let's get this right teach the course in spanish'but all the road signs are still in english learn to speak/read/english or stay off the roads!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Midnightrider |
I will welcome any program that is going to put better trained and (hopefully) safer 2-wheeled or 4-wheeled vehicle operators on the roads I share with them. If someone could prove to me that such a course would actually increase illegal immigration, I might reconsider - but I think that's unlikely. On a semi-related note, I had a boss once in the military who had come down from a NATO staff position. He attended many a meeting where our international NATO partners would look around the room and say something to the effect of - "Oh -- I see the the Americans are here---I guess we'll need to speak English" | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Some local councils in England now have temporary roadsigns in English & (get this) POLISH there has been such an influx into the UK since they joined the EU. & don't get me started on the illegals, I had 10 of the bastards trying to get in the truck last week while I was parked at the docks waiting for the morning ferry to England. We're not allowed to touch them because it infringes their human rights so the coppers told me to put away my tire iron & to call them if I'm in trouble, yeah right! If they manage to get in & don't get detected in the security checks & I can't PROVE that I have done everything possible to prevent them, I'm liable for a $4000 fine PER UNIT!! meanwhile do they get locked up? no, they get housed, fed, clothed, & even a cell-phone to call home. Welcome to the UK immigration policy!  I'd like to see GWB read that out too, d'you reckon he'd make it to the end?  I know he's your president & all that but every time I see him he makes me think of Mel Brooks as Governor Lepetomane, in Blazing Saddles. |
