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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 09:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just ordered a case for the riding season and wanted to know what other people think about AMSOIL.

I have never heard anything bad about AMSOIL, but what the hell do I know?

Let me know what you think.....about AMSOIL, not why Britney shaved her head, Why the sky is blue or if Jesus shops at Walmart........AMSOIL please
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Ted
Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Technically I cant say if its superior or not to other oils, but its cheaper that Harley Synth, and I find its getting difficult finding 20/50 wt.
A local custom choppers shop, uses it their big Vtwins.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 12:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Get this, when I was talking to the sales rep. he asked if I was using it in my cars. I said no and then he told me that I would only need to change AMSOIL every 25000 miles or once a year. If I used their air filter & put a can of their injector cleaner in the gas I would get 2 to 3 more miles per gallon o gas. That sounds good........to good, but I may give it a try
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Ducxl
Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 02:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Amsoil is a class III synthetic oil....not really a synthetic at all.
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Sweatmark
Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 04:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK - I'm biased, having previously worked for Mobil as tech sales/lube engineer, but I don't like Amsoil. The salesman's claim about 25k/annual oil changes supports my very subjective gut reaction: that's sales hype. My objective response is to consider all of the operational variables that could make such a recommendation potentially dangerous to your car engine's well-being.
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Buellshyter
Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 05:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Excuse me but doesn't Mobil market a 15,0000 mile oil for automobiles???
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Djkaplan
Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 05:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I like the way Amsoil tastes better than Mobil.
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Teddagreek
Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 07:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I almost have a feeling it sorta a pyramid deal.. I went amsoil dude at the local bike night and he was like buy a membership and you get a discount and save money... etc.......

I had flash back of a friend taking me to a amway meeting many years ago..

Run...
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Slaughter
Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 07:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It IS a pyramid thing. Sure you can buy the product but if you talk to an individual doing the selling, it's pretty soon going to turn into a pitch about getting going selling, getting people to sell FOR you ... multilevel marketing.

Shaklee, Amway, Amsoil, there's more.

The product itself isn't all that bad but the selling thing that a friend pushed onto me when I asked about the product turned me off of it 20 years ago.
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Wtcardr
Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 08:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Do not run any oil in any vehicle longer than the manufacturers recommended interval. I was given the 25,000 spiel by the Amsoil rep for a new vehicle. I was informed by the manufacturer that they would not warranty the engine if you went past recommended service intervals. When I approached the Amsoil rep, he told me they would go to litigation with me if there were any problems. It's just easier to go by the book and you won't need a lawyer'
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Rotzaruck
Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 09:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dj's right, it's better on salad, with a little vinegar, but mostly it's just fun, when someone says Amsoil to say "AmNOT"!!!
(staying on the subject)
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Wolf102
Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 10:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i stick with mobil one.2 months ago when i changed the oil on my gmc the oil filter wasnt sealing rite because a piece of gasket from the old filter so my was leaking oil as a result my truck ran on 1 quart of mobile one senthetic for 2500 miles.
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Lord_deathscyte
Posted on Friday, March 09, 2007 - 12:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

wolf, the oil filter gasket problem is the fault of the person that changed your filter not the manufactor of the filter. Oil changing 101 always make sure the old gasket is removed from the engine before installing the new oil filter. Second is always check for leaks after changing the oil. The fact that you ran your vehicle low on oil will only cause problems in the long run. No matter the oil u use.
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Easy_rider
Posted on Friday, March 09, 2007 - 09:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think Wolf is telling us how impressive synth oil was for him..... or not to buy his truck!
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Johnc
Posted on Friday, March 09, 2007 - 09:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I tied using Amsoil (their air cooled v-twin specific 20-50)in my M2 last year. The engine started using 1 litre of oil every 600 km. After I switched back to HD 20-50 it went back to using what it had from day 1, about 1 litre every 2000 km.

Just my 2 cents worth.
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Kootenay
Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I put AMSoil 20w50 in my Buell around the middle of last season (used regular H-D 20W50 up til then, while the bike was on warranty). I got it because a riding friend who owns a small engine shop sells it. Anyway, about the only difference I noticed was that the fan runs less...the bike already had close to 20,000 km on it, so I don't think it's still breaking in... I conclude the AMSoil might be a better heat transfer medium.

BTW, my Firebolt doesn't seem to use any oil at all, regular or synth.
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Buellerandy
Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 10:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine likes a sip of oil with its usual intake of gasoline...only real complaint I have with Buell, and I'm over it: ) But back on subject, I'm looking at switching to synthetic and I was in between amsoil and mobil1. I'm glad this thread was started.
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Ducxl
Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 10:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Amsoil IS NOT a true synthetic,as a class III product.I'm using Valvoline synthetic in my Buells',and Mobil 1 15-50 on the 996
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65460
Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 05:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Seems to me this is one of those "debates" that could go on forever.
Some say Mobil 1 isnt a real syn, some say Amsoil isnt.
I dont know,
This is something from their website:
http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/mcv.aspx
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Ryker77
Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 05:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Do not run any oil in any vehicle longer than the manufacturers recommended interval"

Or you can have your used oil tested and really find out if the oil needs to be changed.

I've seen UOA on VW diesel have good oil at 10k miles and tested good on up to 20k.

I run Amsoil in my bike becuase its cheaper than the others. Amsoil in the wifes Benz only becuase I had it on hand. I use ELF CRV 506.01 oil in my VW TDI 13 bucks a quart!
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Ryker77
Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 06:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Polyalphaolefin (PAO) = API (American Petroleum Institute) Group IV base oil

Synthetic esters, etc = API Group V base oils (non-PAO synthetics, including diesters, polyolesters, alklylated napthlenes, alkyklated benzenes, etc.)


Hydrocracked/Hydroisomerized = API Group III base oils. Chevron, Mobil, and other petrochemical companies developed processes involving catalytic conversion of feed stocks under pressure in the presence of hydrogen into high quality lubricating oil. In 2005 production of GTL (Gas-to-liquid) Group III base stocks began. The best of these perform much like polyalphaolefin. Motor oils formulated with Group III base stocks are considered synthetic motor oil in North America.[1][2]
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Pellis
Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 06:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

First let me state that not only have I used AMSOIL products for 30 years in all my vehicles (damn I'm getting old), I'm also a dealer. I became a dealer because I knew it was a good product and I could get it at a better price. I let people know I can get it for them , but have never push it on anyone.

"Amsoil IS NOT a true synthetic,as a class III product."

That statement is only partly true. AMSOIL does make a GROUP 3 BASE STOCK line, it is there XL series.
The oil that AMSOIL sells for motorcycle use is a PRIMARY GROUP 4 BASE STOCK.

http://www.amsoil.com/
20W-50 http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/mcv.aspx
A good read - http://www.amsoil.com/articlespr/articlegreatdebat e.aspx
AMSOIL Motorcycle White Paper - http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g2156.pdf

To find a AMSOIL dealer near you go here: http://www.amsoil.com/dealerlocatorresults/DealerL ocator.aspx
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Wolf102
Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 06:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i was only posting about how impressed i am with mobil 1.if i was using any other oil i would have probably blown the engine.i know it was a stupid mistake not making sure all of the gasket was off. woops at least i caught it
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Buellmeister57
Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 10:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Been using Amsoil about 19 years.
1982 BMW R100RT-38,406 miles
1995 FLHT-49,957 miles
1988 Ford E150-141,068 miles
1999 M2 Cyclone-34,000 miles
3.5 hp Lawnmower-17 miles?
I change oil & filter once a year. No oil related problems. Bottom line is if you don't trust the extra protection-extended mileage oil change, don't buy it.
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Jaimec
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 08:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd modify Buellmeister57's last comment with "...if you don't trust the extra protection-extended mileage oil change, THEN CHANGE IT AT THE REGULAR INTERVAL."

Just because the manufacturer says you CAN let the oil go 25K doesn't mean you HAVE to. No one from AmsOil is going to be sitting by your bike with a shotgun saying "You're not touching the oil yet, Boy!"

Sheesh. Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill...
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Buellshyter
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 09:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Look folks, anything is better then the oil that comes stock in the bike
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Teeps
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buellshyter Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 09:20 am:

Look folks, anything is better then the oil that comes stock in the bike


You know "NOT" of what you speak... I'll leave it at that.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I keep the bike on the regular service program. But the car is where I would like to cheat.

Jiffy lube says every 3000 miles
Most people say every 5000 miles
Dealer says every 7500 miles
I like the once a year statement from AMSOIL. I think I will give it a try.
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U4euh
Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 12:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I aint no expert, but my experience is this: I have always used Mobil1 V-twin....last summer I decided to try the Amsoil in the same weight. Bike was noisier, ran hotter(ie-fan came on a lot more). I changed it after 2000 miles and went back to Mobil. Hope it works out better for you.
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Xbduck
Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 02:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The information I got from Amsoil about motorcycle lubrication included a brochure that had a number of Buells in one of its photos.
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Smoke
Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 07:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i have run amsoil when mobil 1 motorcycle oil was pulled from the market. no issues. i went back to mobil 1 motorcycle oil when it came back due to convenience of finding it. no issues. YMMV.
tim
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Jhanz
Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 07:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What's the skinny on Red Line oil? I read a few things about it that indicate that it is a good choice for V Twin motors. I live in an area where the traffic is bad and you can easily get stuck in stop and go traffic quite a bit. I want an oil that will perform and protect well under those circumstances.
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Sarodude
Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So, I'm gonna posta on the other side of the oil thing.......

I had a 1985 CRX Si. Drove the living crap outta it. Dove it HARD.

I changed the oil. Sometimes. Every 3000 miles? Uh, well, a bit more than that. Well, a LOT more than that. $ was tight. Time was tight.

Occasionally I'd even find that it was more than a quart low.

The car's lube diet was ANYTHING I COULD FIND. The priciest stuff it ever saw was Castrol GTX. Probably 'cause I liked the commercial on TV.

That car logged well over 200k miles before suffering a non engine related death (read: accident).

Honestly, for the bulk of vehicles, I feel like as long as you HAVE oil in there and it DOESN'T contain beach sand, you could probably do worse.

That said, I now run M1 Synth in everything.

-Saro
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Irelage
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 10:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I guess I am going to give Amsoil a try. I want to move my change intervals from 2k to 5k miles as recommended in the manual. That way I can plan on changing my tires and oil at the same time. I was also changing the primary chain oil at the same time so I will move that to 10k (per manual) using Amsoil in both the cases. This will really give me the gas and ride, low maintenance thrill
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