| Author | Message | ||
     Rasmonis |
It kinda neat, I just finished installing it. | ||
| Doon |
I tried installing it on one of my play boxes at home (I am a *nix and Mac user), but do have Windows for games  It seemed to work ok (besides totally screwing up the boot.ini file making the existing version of XP non-bootable) Then again that box does boot into FreeBSD 6, Windows XP, solaris 10 X86,and gentoo, so it might have gotten confused ). I don't really forsee me updating to it anytime soon, as most of my gaming nowadays is on my 360 (and I imagine the wii once it is released). So i used it for a couple of days and then uninstalled it and then had to learn a bunch of Windows XP rescue disk-fu to fix my XP partition. But all in all I will stick with running OS10 on my mac (it comes with bash, ssh, and vi -- I am in heaven ) | ||
| Cereal |
I've been working with Vista for 8 months. This OS is a huge upgrade from XP. The security upgrades alone are impressive. (Message edited by cereal on October 17, 2006) | ||
| Pwnzor |
win2k 4tw!  | ||
| Barker |
I have been working with those "new features" for years. OSX! Pwnzor, glad to see you back and active on badweb. (FYI Winders on my MacPro is blazing fast. Awesome gamer rig, Quad Xenon with dual 30 inch monitors!!) | ||
| Glitch |
I've got a few test boxes here, it's part of what's coming to the World of Coke. So far so good, I've only found a few apps that don't like it, but they needed special treatment on XP as well. So far no surprises. The extra security is a plus, but it ain't making the folks over at Symantec, or McAfee very happy. I've heard two arguments, one, that if you're gonna sell an OS, it's your duty to make it as secure as possible, and two, Micro$oft is doing to the anti-virus industry, the same they did to the browser industry. | ||
| Ikeman |
If Microsoft got it right to begin with there wouldn't BE an anti-virus industry. And if it wasn't for my kids' gaming habit I wouldn't have a Windows box in my house. | ||
| Rasmonis |
I installed Vista on an "extra" XPS laptop here at the office which is actually handling this beta OS quite well. The only compatibility issue I've had with it so far is trying to install Symantec Corp 10. No-go. Had to install OneCare. I like the new look and it seems like it requires user input for just about any operation requiring access to system resources. I like the overall look, but the gadgets could definitely be improved, I've been using Konfabulator's widgets on XP for a little over a year and I prefer them to the MS ones. The just look much better... The whole "3D Windows" is nothing to get excited over. How long does the RC1 license last? For you OS X guys out there, it is no secret that Apple is way ahead of the game on hardware and software goodies - usually by 2-3 years. There is a definite hmmm, different way of thinking when it comes to working on Macs vs. PCs though. It appears to me that the logic between *nix systems and MS based PCs is more related than between MS or *nix and Macs. It's not just because PCs use binary language either. It has nothing to do with the code, I wish I could put my finger on it...It's an "environmental" thing is the closest I can come to it. | ||
| Cereal |
A lot of the security features are designed to keep a virus, if introduced into the system, from being able to access anything of importance, while other features are included to detect and wipe contracted malware. The cool features I'm talking about are the former. And from what I've heard from the anti-virus software developers, they are not very concerned. Vista will not come with complete anti-virus software. It will only nab the kind of malware that goes after the low-lying fruit. And just like any OS out there (yes, including OSX), people will find exploits. A security expert in Singapore already created a rootkit for Vista and claimed that it could easily be rewritten for any OS. Look up 'Blue Pill' and you should find the documentation (NOT SOURCE CODE!). The only safe computer is the one not plugged into net. | ||
| Chainsaw |
If Microsoft got it right to begin with there wouldn't BE an anti-virus industry. Yup. That's life in technology. Syquest was killed by Iomega's 100MG Zip drives. Iomega was killed when CD burners and small flash drives killed their Zip drive business. | ||
| Mbsween |
Cereal Try Solaris x64, free and virus free for the past 20 years. Agreeded that the only way to completely remove the threat is to unplug, Unix and Linux machines run by someone with moderate knowledge have very few issues. Every buy anything from Ebay using Paypal? Not to mention the ultimate gear head OS, Gentoo If Apple would release a native Unix quicktime, life would be grand | ||
| Cereal |
Hey Ras. Some older, and even current software, will not run on Vista because of the new 'sandboxing' approach. The basic problem with compatibility is that a lot of software now-a-days likes to write to the registry or access the kernel. Vista does not allow this for obvious reasons. Microsoft has written code to attempt to handle this by creating dumby registries in an attempt to trick the software into running. This will unfortunately not always work. The compatibility issue will be a pain in the ass for about a year until the software vendors patch their programs. Think of it as a transition phase to a more secure environment. | ||
| Cereal |
I love UNIX based OSs, but to say they are safe is just not true. In today’s world, a virus that causes damage to your machine is hardly even an issue. Now it's all about gathering info for identity theft and CC fraud. Even if Solaris has been virus free, and I agree that it is a fantastic and reasonably safe OS, they have certainly been hacked. And that is far more of a concern. The problem with most UNIX based OSs is that the source code is freely available and any coder can search through it at his/her leisure to find an exploit. And the first 64 bit version of Solaris was 7 and was not release until 11/98. | ||
| Cereal |
Oh yeah, and you don't even want to know how many times eBay and PayPal have been hacked. (Message edited by cereal on October 18, 2006) | ||
| Rasmonis |
I'll begin testing adding software here in a few weeks, right now, I'm just getting used to the new setup, and becoming familiar with the new way to do old tasks. Actually, let me go test if our software is compatible...it won't take long. Installed just fine. | ||
| Cereal |
Great! Let me know what problems you do run into with Vista. And I'd be happy to help with any questions you may have. Off-line would probably be better. That goes for anyone else that is also beta testing. It would help me out on a project I am working on. | ||
| Cruisin |
I've been running it for a bit (since RC1 came out) - definitely interesting. There are some things that are ANNOYING. I don't mind a popup notifying me that a task requires admin privs, because I have those, but if I try an ipconfig /release it errors out saying it requires admin rights. I haven't figured out how to run a command prompt window in admin mode, or whatever it needs. All in all it definitely takes some getting used to - like there's no RUN option from the start menu. Trivial, but annoying if you're used to it. | ||
| Rasmonis |
You can turn on or off User account control in the user profile manager. It requires a system restart but this will allow you to open a command prompt window with elevated privileges. WinKey+R will bring up the Run menu as it has since Win2K. (Message edited by Rasmonis on October 18, 2006) (Message edited by Rasmonis on October 18, 2006) | ||
| Thespive |
Viruses Intruders Spam Trojans Adware Go OSX! --Sean} | ||
| Pwnzor |
the only reason nobody writes viruses for mac os's is that they want to have as much effect as possible. why waste their time on 3% of the world's computers when they can attack the other 97%? | ||
| Thespive |
That's why they call us Mac users 3%ers.  Wonder what that makes me if I use a Mac AND ride a Buell!?! BTW, I never said that wasn't the case, but on the other hand, OSX is a more secure OS to begin with. --Sean (Message edited by thespive on October 18, 2006) | ||
| Cruisin |
Thanks Rasmonis, I haven't really had time to look into it myself...I figured there was an option but hadn't looked for it yet. | ||
| Rasmonis |
UR welcome. Has Mac added a second mouse button yet? That had to be one of the hardest things to get used to on the Macs. The Mac guys will undoubtedly say "Who needs a second mouse button"?! Just wondering. Not bashing. Don't be hatin'! | ||
| Barker |
Right clicking on the macs has been around for years! Now we have 4 button mice! http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wo/1.RSLID?mco=6 B722C6A&nplm=MA272LL%2FA Tech support was a lot simpler and cheaper with a one button mouse. MacBuellers UNITE! Think Different/Different in Every Sense | ||
| Doerman |
Rasmonis said: "environmental" thing is the closest I can come to it. ------ My guess there is that Apple has always been much better at managing code memory, knowing how much to alloc and freeing it when not used any more. Asbjorn | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Yeah, I've been playing with Vista. But they totally farked up OpenGL. It's a good 30-40% SLOWER now. For The Cad/Cam work I do, it sucks. Gonna re-install XP on my laptop Also seems HASP4(Software security dongle/key) USB drivers don't work. | ||
| Pwnzor |
I like fast corners and I like video games. Hence, I ride a Buell and I have multiple PC's. My next "office only" machine will however be a Mac. I know them well to be solid, reliable machines which definitely manage memory better than PC's do. BUT, they aren't much fun so it's low on the priority list. Until game publishers change their direction a bit, I'll stick with these:  | ||
| Mbsween |
Hey, Ain't that mac OSX really Free BSD under the hood????? And one reason windows has the most viruses is it's the only popular OS that was written with little to no thought to security. In short windows is the easiest OS to write a virus for. Thats a big reason there are so many of them. Crackers are just as lazy as anyone else. Windows is pretty much the only OS that you can write a virus for (a piece of code that replicates itself and causes further damage). The Unix hacks are almost always trojans, meaning a user has to do something stupid to get the "hack" to work. Granted there have been some buffer overflows that end up in root shells and such, but again, they're not viruses and they're pretty rare. Not meaning to hijack your thread, but when it comes to OS security Windows has all the reliabilty of the early tube frame Buells. (Message edited by mbsween on October 18, 2006) | ||
| Doon |
MBSween: Mac OSX has a mach kernel and the userland from FreeBSD, and the lickable aqua interface Part of my Draw to the Mac was that it had BSD based subsystems in it, and it was much less trouble to get it to work reliably on a laptop. There are holes in every OS, and bugs waiting to be found. The only 100% absolutly safe computer is the one buried in concrete and not turned on (although it isn't very useful). For the record I am a bit of a FreeBSD bigot (Have a daemon tattoo'd on my leg). | ||
| Mbsween |
Doon, Thats dedication! I'll get off my horse now. I've spent a couple decades working these issues (not tattoos yet) and probably ought to drink less coffee at night. I always like the statement "..all OSes suck, just pick the one that sucks least for what you're doing.." I always find it interesting that gear heads and computer people tend to be one and the same. I guess if you like disassembling one thing, you'll take anything apart! | ||
| Cereal |
Buffer overflow exploits to gain root access rare? Unix hacks almost always trojans? Tube frame Buells unreliable? Okay, you got me on the tube frames. |
