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Sgtshap
Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 06:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ive always used mobile1 racing 4T oil.
The manual calls for 10-40 which is the same as the racing 4T. The mobile1 v-twin oil is 20-50.

Is there something extra or special about the v-twin oil or just the viscosity?

Can I run Racing 4T 10-40 or should I run the V-twin 20-50 oil?

Also, the manual talk about draining the oil tank only, and then refilling 2quarts of oil. The previous owner left me a nice black sludge instead of oil. How do I drain ALL of the oil, even the stuff IN the engine and not just the oil tank.

Because just drain and fill of the tank will probably take me 5 oil changes in a row to get all the black out.
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Guell
Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 06:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i thought these bikes called for 20-50
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Jramsey
Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 06:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

After you change the oil/filter fire it up and pull the return line off the oil tank and wait till fresh oil is coming out then re-attach.
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Buellistic
Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 07:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

10W40, must be cold where you are ...
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Jramsey
Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 08:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"10W40, must be cold where you are ..."

'dunno about that, I run 15-40 Rotella T in everything I own and have for many years,'bout 10-12 engines altogether ...106 today
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01x1buell
Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 08:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i use that 15-40 rotella t in my powerstroke and i love it great oil for a great price. but i stick with the amsoil now in the bike. 20 50
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Fahren
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 09:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Your manual only calls for 10w-40 in cold weather conditions. 20w-50 is the correct spec.
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Sgtshap
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 01:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks guys. Im going to go get some mobile1 Vtwin.

@Jramsey, thanks for that tip. anything I should look out for, is the return oil gonna be coming fast? and how much extra dirty oil can i expect?
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Kalali
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 01:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"...then refilling 2quarts of oil."

I thought it called for 2.5 Quarts with the filter change.
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Sgtshap
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 01:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

its said 2qt plus whatever you put into the filter itself.
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Jramsey
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 02:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"is the return oil gonna be coming fast?

At idle cold about 7-10 psi, about like a slow stream from a faucet.
Have a container handy and be ready to hit the kill button.
Just slightly over fill with oil, by the time clean oil comes out you will probably have to add to get the proper level.
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Sgtshap
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 02:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

awesome. thanks
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Sgtshap
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 03:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

WOW, J Ive dont your technique twice in a row now, and Im still getting some black ass coffee coming out of the return line.

Good thing I have about 20 quarts of redline 10-40 laying around that i use on my jeep, i read the bottle and it is designed to work on wet clutches on ALL motorcycles, so im going to run this stuff. supposed to handle really high temps.

but ive gone through 5 quarts just flushing this old junk.
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Fahren
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 03:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

10w-40: thin. More noise from valve train - thin stuff trying to cover all those surfaces.

YMMV.
HTH.
LOL.
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01x1buell
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 04:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i use 20 50 and still get alot of noise from the valve train.
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Sgtshap
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 04:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You Make Me Vomit????
Honky Tonk Hustlas???
Living on Lipitor???
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Jramsey
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 04:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sgt, you owe me a new keyboard, thanks for the laugh I needed one today.
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Fahren
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 09:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sgt, I thought we were talkin' Valve Train, not Soooooooouuuul Train! :-)
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Sgtshap
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 12:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So the lady an I went for a ride to get some chowdah at the coast. Gas tank full of 91 and some seafoam.

New 10-40 oil in the block.

And the bike rode sweeet.

night and day difference. This is after running 8 quarts of clean oil through the engine. I have the return line stuck in a bucket and as the bike idles i just kept pouring new oil into the oil tank.

It took 8 quarts untill the oil coming out of the return line went from black to brown. and the redline oil is damn near clear when its new.

Anyways. We put about 60 miles on it today. Ill let this new filter eat up some dirt for another 100 miles or so before i do another oil change.

I found out that I didnt need to rejet the carb, the bike just needed an OIL CHANGE, and BAD! previous owner had on one of those giant, double long oil filters, and I guess he thought that his bike was exempt from 2k-3k oil changes.
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Guell
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 07:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

he might have thought that but the longer filters hold more oil and in a bike that barely holds over 2 qts thats not a bad thing.
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Sgtshap
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 02:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

2 quarts in the oil tank, plus whatever is running through the motor. I am going to guess there is probably another quart or two somewheres in there.
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Guell
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 04:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

its a dry sump engine, there shouldnt be another quart or 2 somewhere in there. Overfill and it will puke out the breathers, or blow off the oil tank cap.
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01x1buell
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 04:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yeah i know all about the blowing oil cap off.. one hell of a mess.ni will never do that again.
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Sgtshap
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 04:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

After I drained the oil tank, then engine still had oil in it. The oil tank held 2 quarts, thats why i had to run the return line into a bucket, to have the engine pump OUT the oil it had in it, while taking new oil from the oil tank. there is oil in the lines, in the crankcase, the filter, etc. not just the oil tank.
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