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Adsva83
Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 09:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would say I'm about 90% complete putting the X1 back together after powder coating everything. I got the tail section on and hooked up the ecm. I had an itch and wanted to put the key in it just to see if I would get power. I hooked the battery up, put the key in........nothing. Should I at least be getting power as far along as I am??? The only thing that is not hooked up is the O2 sensor, the fuel pump, and the plug wires. I would think that I should still get power with the key turned on, am I just dead wrong on this?

Turn signals and brake light aren't hooked up either but I know those don't make a difference.

I did notice there's a bolt on the top side of the starter with a wire on it, with a rubber shield. I have the battery power wire on the bolt that is on the very back side of the starter, is that correct? I've done pretty good for a first time up to this point but I'm running into some stuff I don't know.
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Mr_wizard
Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 09:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just got mine running. I would check your grounds. I took a dremel tool and made a bare spot under the grounds to get a good connection. Those star washers work good but not that good. You have the battery wire hooked up right. If you have any questions you can call me just send me a IM and I will give you my number. Look at my post, LOOK i'm standing on my own
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Adsva83
Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 11:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have the ground cable for the battery on the same bolt as the ground strap that goes from the bottom of the battery tray to the swing arm. The bolt on the back of the battery tray where the battery ground cable goes, broke off. Is there a better bolt that I can ground the battery cable to? Also one of the ground wires that goes directly under the tank where the front of the seat catches broke off. I just wired it in with the one next to it. Could that be a problem as well?
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Adsva83
Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 09:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't think it's the ground wire that's causing the problem. I cleaned up the all the ground spots with sand paper and also did the same with the wires and still no power.
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Mr_wizard
Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 09:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would check the painted areas first. Looking at your pics it looks like the swing arm is Painted where the rear iso bolts are? That should be bare metal so you get a good ground. It shouldn't matter if you moved the wire as long as it is grounded to the same place, which from what you are saying they are. I would start with the wires since that is the easiest. Take something (dremel or utility knife) and scrape off the powder caoting behind the ground wires. It doesn't have to be all the way but enough so the grounds can touch bare metal. If that doesn't work you might have to look into were the swing arm bolts to the frame.
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Mr_wizard
Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 09:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not to be that guy but that battery has power?
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Buell_bert
Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 11:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yea MR. Is the battery OK? Also you really do not have to scrape the paint or powder off (allthough it is better) Just have clean cable ends and clean tight cable bolts and the threads that they bolt into, (with copper neversieze compound)should work. Good luck. We are pullin for ya. It maybe the hot from the starter to the 30 amp circuit breaker which goes to the switch. This has been edited.

(Message edited by Buell_Bert on March 16, 2010)
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Adsva83
Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 08:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The swing arm where it mounts to the frame is completely bare. I'm not sure where you're meaning when you say where the rear iso bolts are. Do you mean the metal on the isolator itself? Or are you meaning the paint on the swing arm where the bearings are?

The battery was the first thing that I had checked. I was kind of hoping that was the problem but the battery is good.

All of the cable ends are as clean as they can be. I took sand paper and cleaned all of the connections, even the battery posts.

I hate to say it but I may have to take it in to the Harley shop for this one. I've never had it worked on by anyone buy myself, but I'm getting impatient because the weather is finally getting up in the 60's here.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 08:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jump the ignition switch wires. The key switches can go bad at the most inopportune times...
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Adsva83
Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 09:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll check the ignition switch next. I searched in some of the archives after you mentioned it and it seems to be a common problem.
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Impala
Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 09:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ignition switch was my problem. Almost left me stranded but after turning the key and playing with it for 10 minutes I had power.
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Adsva83
Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 10:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When I jumper the wires on the ignition plug will it start or will I still have to hit the starter button?? The reason I ask is because I don't have any fluids in the bike right now so I don't want it to start to turn over, I'm just trying to get power to make sure it works. I don't want to put everything completely together and then have to take it back apart to fix the electrical problem.
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Jramsey
Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 10:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Your only jumping the ign. wiring not the starter circuit so you will have to press the starter button to turn the motor over.
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Adsva83
Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 07:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Do i need to take the connectors out of the ignition switch and put the three of them together or can i just lay a wire across them? I put 1 wire in the connector that was touching all three of the prongs and it didn't do anything, still no power.
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