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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, June 29, 2020 - 11:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

...that would require finding a .22 somewhere available for sale...but a good idea, I'll start looking around. Thanks!
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Ourdee
Posted on Monday, June 29, 2020 - 01:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Joe, Enter your State:

https://www.armslist.com/account
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Fireboltwillie
Posted on Monday, June 29, 2020 - 01:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i'm digging the idea of the laser type dry fire training... i see some are phone app based, as well. gonna look into this some more.
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Tootal
Posted on Monday, June 29, 2020 - 01:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Okay, just did a quick search and the grip angle of a Springfield XD is the same as a 1911. The Ruger Mark IV 22/45 has the same grip angle as a 1911 and your XD. I don't know the price of the Ruger but I know they're quality. I still have my Ruger Mark I target bull barrel. It was my squirrel gun back when I had eyesight! The old ones had the grip angle of a Luger but this one copies the 1911.

https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/ruger-mark -iv-22-review/363415
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Blake
Posted on Monday, June 29, 2020 - 02:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Joe,

Dry fire practice at home is very valuable; laser system like RD mentions even better. Once you're proficient, live fire practice with a different firearm seems more problem than benefit to me, especially with a revolver.

Muscle memory is the goal, yes? Best to not confuse that very valuable achievement.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, June 29, 2020 - 02:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

9 mm ammo seems relatively available:

https://ammoseek.com/ammo/9mm-luger
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, June 29, 2020 - 02:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake - that's odd. I have ammoseek on my phone as a bookmark and it shows NONE of those as available. I've been checking. Everything on that page, shows backorder/not available...but the link above clearly shows stuff available.

I'll have to do some online ordering tonight from the home computer.
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Fireboltwillie
Posted on Monday, June 29, 2020 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ordered some from that site late last week.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, July 01, 2020 - 08:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, it pained me to do it, but I found myself in Dick's today after work....where they had an entire end-cap FULL of Remington 115 FMJ 9mm, priced right around .24/rd.

I hated to spend money there due to their politics, but I guess buying handgun ammo is as close as I can get to a stick in the eye...so I took the cash I had with me and bought 250 rounds (5 boxes).

I can practice this weekend!!
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Ourdee
Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2020 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2020 - 12:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Can you believe the local prosecutor is considering filing charges against these Patriots? This being the same prosecutor who has had multiple cases (and offenders) brought to her by the local law enforcement for destruction, violence, arson, and theft...and declined to prosecute.

But for someone(s) to stand up and actively protect their personal property...without hurting a soul, or damaging one piece of property...well, how DARE they inconvenience the rioters and prevent them from looting like they want to do??

They'd have both done better, though, with the AR at ready-rest across his chest, muzzle-down, trigger finger visible outside the guard; and her with the pistol in a holster or at least held against her body at a ready position, instead of one-hand arms-length gangsta-waving it around...if she'd have sneezed while doing that, she'd probably have shot someone.

Just sayin'.
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Tpehak
Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2020 - 01:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The mob just needs to move to the local prosecutor house.
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Tootal
Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2020 - 03:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



Ain't that the truth! That bitch is unreal. She has a list of officers that she won't prosecute anybody they bring in because she deems them bad witnesses in court. She needs to go, along with the mayor. They've really screwed St. Louis up.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 06:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Guilty or not guilty?

https://www.theblaze.com/news/white-couple-charged -felony-pulling-gunn

If you're going to carry a gun, it's a bad idea get into arguments with deranged strangers.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 08:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My theory while carrying is this:

I'll never shoot.

But I'll damned sure shoot BACK.

My sidearm is a last resort; a means of escape when all else fails. Period.
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Ourdee
Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 09:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you're going to carry a gun, it's a bad idea get into arguments with deranged strangers. It's always a bad idea to get into arguments with deranged strangers.
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Tpehak
Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The white couple tried to escape the parking lot but the black women did not allow them to escape. The white couple started arguing with the black women and the black women started cut the distance between them and the white woman and started yelling. It scarred the white woman and she pulled the gun. The black women are guilty.

(Message edited by TPEHAK on July 08, 2020)
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 12:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The white woman shouldn't have pulled her weapon unless she was in fear for her life. An angry, unarmed woman with a kid? Not life-threatening.

Meet force with force. Fists for fists, knives for knives. Don't bring a gun to a fistfight, not in today's world.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 01:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/articles/2020/5 /7/bloomberg-banked-on-his-billions-but-came-up-sh ort/

Seriously, worth the read.
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Tpehak
Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 01:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fist fight is not equal for both fighters. The stronger fighter will win. And fist fight is danger for your health and your life, if somebody attacked you with fist you have right to protect yourself with gun.

Fist fight is good if both fighters want to fugure out who is stronger. But if one of them does not want to fist fight and another one unlawfully attacks him with his fist anyway the first one has right to use gun.

(Message edited by TPEHAK on July 08, 2020)
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 01:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't have any meaningful opinion on an incident I don't trust the report of.

Not knocking The Blaze, I distrust the Oakland County Persecutor's Office & local News... I have zero reason to believe them. Or disbelieve.

However, it seems a good idea based on the story to warn us all to keep our heads.

"Waving a gun around" aka showing your gun without using it, appears to have cost a guy his job, he also had to borrow $100,000 at no doubt ruinous interest, ( with no future income? ) give up his rights, property, and ability to leave the State, so no escape or defense from the angry mobs that may attack his home to "make an example of him".
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 02:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


Meet force with force. Fists for fists, knives for knives. Don't bring a gun to a fistfight, not in today's world.


Terrible attitude and advice. Lousy from a legal perspective too.

Deadly force is ONLY justified by credible, to You, threat of death or serious injury to yourself or another.

"Proportional response" or " he's got a knife, so I should use a knife", is idiot propaganda insanity.

You see a thug about to knife someone? Use whatever weapon needed. Your best choice is probably a load of buckshot to the base of the skull aimed carefully to avoid bystanders. But if all you have is a cane, or bare hands, and You judge the risk is worth it, ( and you could be very wrong ) use what you've got. ( cars kill tens of thousands in the U.S. Every year. A few deliberately. )

You have to expect any use of force to be taken to court where you will need to try and justify it.

Yes, if you shoot a guy trying to beat you to death, some prosecutors will try to hang you because you ain't Chuck Norris and didn't just roundhouse kick the criminal unconscious in a split second. Get a good lawyer.
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Tootal
Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 03:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I remember an old adage that said, If you find yourself in a fair fight your tactics suck!
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 03:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

All good points. I perhaps mis-stated mine. In this situation, I don't think a woman pounding on a trunk lid and shouting through a car window, justified pulling a gun. And I suspect she'll have a hard time fighting the charges in court. Had a weapon been apparent, or a genuine "fear for life and limb", it would be another story.

And my point about "proportional response" was mainly in reference to what the courts are going to throw at her. Where was her weapon? Why did you fear for your life, enough to draw a gun on her and her daughter? Those are the hard questions that she'll be asked.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 03:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep, agree.

Knowing little about this particular incident, I'll refrain from further comment on it. But in general the "Rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6" mantra, while common sense, is lousy public relations. ( due to the lack of sense, and years of deliberate dumbing )

Also, unless it's a Mob surrounding you, and pounding on your windows, in any one on one or 2 on 2 situation, once you are in your car, you can escape. You're also in the biggest and deadliest weapon most people will ever have. The same care and responsibility to not harm others without just cause applies with a car as it does with a shotgun.

In a riot situation.... the same common sense that applies to anyone applies here, avoid if possible. I mean really make a thoughtful effort to avoid large crowds of Hydra sponsored terrorists.

Who are a small percentage of the riots today. You don't know if the girl jumping up and down on your hood is an useful idiot inflamed by twitter or a hardened terrorist murderer who enjoys your suffering and riding the whirlwind of rage and hate. You'd get the same tearful reaction from their parents on tv. And while the planet is better off with one less monster, you have to be pretty nasty to say the same about the co-ed sorority gal, even if it does raise the planetary IQ.

There's also the matter that most cars will hang up on the screaming bodies of the people you run over in a panicked attempt to flee, which leaves you surrounded by a furious mob with ( actually a pretty good reason, NOW ) to tear your face off before you kill more. There ARE moral and legal reasons why you don't start a fight, but after it's in progress, I really doubt being Dead Right will bring you or your family comfort.

Avoid.
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Ebutch
Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2020 - 05:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2020 - 07:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, let me let me say, if somebody attacks, if somebody surrounds my car, I知 gonna drive forward. If there痴 somebody in front of my car, they will be killed or injured, but I知 gonna do it.

I知 not going to sit there with a crowd that痴 beating on my car and threatening me. I知 gonna drive forward, and I知 gonna take out anybody who痴 in front of me. And I知 not gonna even think twice about it. I知 not even gonna feel guilty about it.

I知 gonna look in my rearview mirror and see brains spilled on the road behind me. I知 not gonna have a nightmare about that. I知 not even gonna have PTSD about that, all right?

That痴 just me, but let me say it again: If you put me on a jury in this country, I am NOT going to convict anybody for what looks like self-defense.




Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/07/drivi ng_on_americas_highways_is_like_driving_in_a_third _world_country.html#ixzz6RhAe18je


http://tmp.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/07/have_w e_reached_the_point_at_which_selfdefense_is_a_crim e.html
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2020 - 08:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

More proof that we need consequences for actions.

Not actions of the drivers...actions of the rioters.

NYC - "bail reform" = commit a crime, it's OK, we won't arrest you or prosecute you...

This shit is contagious. Rioters (NOT "protestors" - protestors don't destroy property) have the impression that they're allowed to do whatever they want, and the Democrat party will protect them.

Time for it to stop.

Citizens are already taking up the cause.

Time for the GOP - and the White House, and the DOJ, and the SCOTUS - to grow a pair and put a stop to it before too many more people die.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2020 - 08:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

On a lighter note, there is now available a consumer model lidar rangefinder that measures cross winds. You don't need an Abrams tank fire control system!

Sure, it's the size of a dictionary and costs more than most cars I've owned, about $8k. Bleeding edge first tries are always expensive, and in less than 5 years you'll have lidar ballistic computers the size of a child's fist, and probably Burris will build it into a scope. With Bluetooth feed so your phone will record each shot.

Which means you can easily spend 5 times the price of a Ruger or Savage rifle on a scope. ( you can do that today ) And get long range accuracy that was impossible in the 20th century. ( also available, today ) With a ballistic computer built in that Aegis class missile cruisers would envy. ( close, today, pre-lidar ) And still spend less than a new liter class motorcycle.

That's amazing.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Saturday, July 11, 2020 - 06:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/07/war rant-served-on-the-mccloskeys.php
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