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Steveford
Posted on Monday, September 23, 2019 - 07:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Finally, a Republican with some balls.
I thought they all died with John McCain.

https://news.yahoo.com/gop-challenger-bill-weld-ca lls-142140949.html
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Tootal
Posted on Monday, September 23, 2019 - 08:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



Believing Yahoo news!!
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, September 23, 2019 - 08:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yup, chasing another nothingburger...just like RussiaRussiaRussia! All this Trump-hate, just because he's not part of the political clique, he doesn't owe anything to anyone, and he's shaking things up. Oh, and he won the election. These people need to get over being all butt-hurt, and DO THEIR JOBS. Stop wasting MY tax money on stupid shit.

How about the video clip of a speech Biden gave, where he said (important word there - he SAID it, ON CAMERA) that he wanted a Ukranian official fired/investigated and threatened to withhold hundreds of thousands of dollars from Ukraine (via the business deal his son was working with that nation). Where's the outrage over THAT? Biden was in an official capacity, using that capacity for personal gain and effect...why should HE get away with it? He ADMITTED IT. Oh, wait. He's a Democrat. The rules don't apply to them.

Rumor of a phone call....actual confession of action on camera. Hm. I wonder which event actually happened?
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, September 23, 2019 - 10:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The only people who hate Trump worse than the Democrat Establishment are the Republican Establishment.

Treason? Did he ask the President of Russia to ask his good friend Vladimir to hold off action until after the election when he would have more flexibility?

Sure, it's mean politics to ask someone to investigate a rival politician. Like the Clinton Campaign. Though with Biden it's presumably without the paid for "dossier" with stories of hookers.

and there's the little matter of extortion to get the Ukrainian prosecutor fired from his investigation of his son's "business dealings". Joe did not bribe the Ukrainians, he threatened to not give the taxpayer's paid Aid to them.

There's an unsubtle legal difference between bribery & extortion.

Bragged about. On camera.
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This needs to be played over and over and over, every place it can be...

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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - 05:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-napolitano-to -shepard-smith-what-trump-has-admitted-to-is-a-cri me/

Is it a crime to do your job? The President is sworn to uphold the Constitution. He's also not the "top cop", that's the AG. But it is the Prez's job to make foreign policy, despite what the treasonous spies over at the CIA think. There are credible, documented, allegations, that the former Veep is massively corrupt, and threatened a foreign country to make them stop investigating his family. He's bragged about it, see video above.

So we KNOW that Veep Joe did do Obstruction of justice. ( unlike Prez Donald ) And that is near proof that a crime was committed to investigate, ( which investigation was ongoing when the Obstruction took place ) and the Obama regime refused to investigate these crimes, Obstruction of justice, domestically. ( but, like the Hamas Drug ring investigation, it was Obama, not Biden, who committed those crimes )

It's inconvenient that the obvious but not yet investigated because of Abuse of power criminal is again running for President. Makes things messy. But running for President isn't a get out of jail free card for crimes committed before declaring your candidacy. Otherwise, I could commit crimes then announce I'm running and get away with them. You also have no immunity from prosecution because you are a candidate.

Yes, the laws for lying, libel, slander, and threats are somewhat different if you are a politician, they wrote those loopholes in to keep from going to prison. ( as some richly deserve )

So, therefore, it is Trump's Duty to attempt to ensure a criminal is brought to justice, and the criminal's political status should be irrelevant.

Also Judge N is incorrect. Joe isn't Donald's "upcoming Presidential rival". He's one of many who might be in the future. A group that is potentially not limited to the few dozen who have declared 2 years in advance, and which enjoy no immunity from prosecution.

This might be more murky if This So Called Scandal took place a year from now, and it Joe won the nomination. But today this is actually aiding the Democrats in not choosing a corrupt criminal.

Not that they care.
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - 08:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've been busy and haven't had the time to look at this the way I would have liked to. Still, I've watched it unfold as best I could. It's bizarre that Quid Pro Joe, is on video (I've been waiting to hear that this was a deep fake, but nothing yet AFAIK) bragging that he used US aid dollars to bribe the Ukraine to drop an investigation that surrounded his son. Bragged that it was a successful bribe in under 6 hours! Yet the media seems totally focused on Trump's using similar aid dollars to the Ukraine, supposedly to restart that same investigation. Finding that YouTube video was not that easy BTW. Despite searching for Biden bribing the Ukraine, that video was absolutely buried in a bunch of videos about Trump bribing the Ukraine. That's another discussion though.

So what do they have on Trump? He held back aid money to the Ukraine. That much is a fact. Trump said he had concerns about where it was actually going and wanted to get some assurances that it wasn't just feeding the corruption in the Ukraine. Certainly plausible. It seems likely that Trump did discuss Quid Pro Joe's son's company's investigation. Might have even asked for the investigation to be re-instated. Seems reasonable to want to know if US citizens were involved in corruption in the Ukraine. Even Quid Pro Joe's son. We do know that the Ukraine got the cash that was supposed to be the bribe in this "scandal". Here's what seems to be missing though... We have no evidence that Trump ever made any connection between paying the aid and getting the investigation re-instated. I've seen it argued that the connection, and therefore the quid pro quo expectation was implicit. Seems like a pretty dubious argument, but let's run with that for a second. The next thing that seems to be missing, is the investigation actually being re-instated. To hear it from Quid Pro Joe, his son is as clear of this as possible, and I've seen nothing even implying that there has been further investigation. If that's true, then we have to go on the premise that Trump made an implicit quid pro quo bribe, which he paid out despite not getting what he implicitly was asking for. If he has continued to withhold the money, I could see trying to make that assertion. Given the known facts though, I just can't see it. I suppose it's possible that Trump is just naive as to how bribes work, but he did for years work in real estate development in areas like New York. I'm guessing he could give plenty of examples of how bribes work.

So I'm still trying to follow this story, but it sure becomes difficult to understand the unequal treatment of such similar allegations. Meanwhile, most of the media seems to pretend that the above Quid Pro Joe video simply doesn't exist.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - 08:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Because he's a Democrat.

No other reason.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - 09:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is anyone else thinking 3D chess here?

"I can release the transcript...but...I think I'll sit on it for a week or so. Let the Dems tip their hand. See how far over the edge they'll go. Let them go public. Give them enough rope to hang themselves with, and then....release the transcript, after they've passed the point of no return."

About the only thing the Dems have done right so far is, they didn't VOTE before Pelosi announced the "impeachment inquiry" (which, legally, is precisely...NOTHING). By not voting...they left themselves a back door out, when the transcript comes out and, once again, our President proves he has done nothing wrong.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2019 - 05:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

But, now if they don't go through with their kangaroo court fact-finding and vote for impeaching, they'll have to admit there's nothing there. Of course, "nothing there" with Russian collusion hasn't affected some. They've waited a few weeks and have just resumed with their pathetic bleating.



(Message edited by ducbsa on September 25, 2019)
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Ebutch
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2019 - 07:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)







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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2019 - 07:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/09/the_p resident_as_peacemaker.html
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Pwnzor
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2019 - 07:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is absolutely hilarious.

Now, they'll be busy trying to push for something that will never get past the Senate.

Hahaha.... just save us all the money of holding an election.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2019 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/trump-admin -releases-ukraine-transcript

This obviously shows the Bad Orange Man pressuring the Ukrainian President by being complimentary and congratulating him on his victory. Such pressure!

Of course Representative Schiff has already said he doesn't believe the transcript, before it was released.

I mentioned to someone the bragging Joe Biden did about pressuring Ukraine to fire the prosecutor that was investigating the company that hired his son. They didn't believe me. I showed them the report from RT news. Big mistake, they tell me they don't believe the Russians. I agreed. They don't believe the video, think it is fake. Trump must be impeached because he broke the law. It's against the law to ask a foreign government to investigate an American. They know this because Rachel Maddow told them. Rachel Maddow never ever lies.

Also from previous conversations, Hillary never did anything wrong. She didn't break the law with a private e-mail server, the head of the FBI never said she broke any laws and never said he wasn't going to prosecute. She had every right to destroy private e-mails, she never destroyed any e-mails, and it's evil Republicans fault.

These are educated, smart people. But they have "the news" on almost continuously, even while they nap, and are more thoroughly indoctrinated than folk in dystopian movies.

I, otoh, am brainwashed by myself? I am told I spend too much time on The Dark Web.

Can you tell me how to find The Dark Web? It must have great stuff. I just read a variety of opinion and news and make my own judgement as to who is full of feces. Most of them. Including some of the articles I post links to here. Don't take any opinion at face value. Read both sides.

And, is it just me? Or does Greta the Climate Hysteric & David Hogg the Gun Hysteric look like they want to murder us all if they could?


Anyway, if you could tell me how to get to The Dark Web, I'd appreciate it.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2019 - 11:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you're going to the dark/deep web, you will want to download the Tor browser.

Don't do it without it.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2019 - 11:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://legalvision.com.au/is-it-legal-to-access-t he-deep-web-and-use-tor/
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2019 - 12:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Link to the the phone call transcript...

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019 /09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

I think this must be the part that has their panties in a bunch...

quote:

The other thing, There's a lot of.talk about Biden's son,. that Eiden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.




Knowing the back story on what Biden actually did, they should have their panties in a bunch. If the Ukraine come back and gives details about how Biden used US aid as a bribe to help his son out, he could go down hard. That should be serious jail time. I'm sure we will have to just settle for Biden being out of the Presidential race. That leaves the Dems with Pocahontas as their most mainstream, serious candidate. It's a disaster for them!
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2019 - 12:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

BTW, considering Biden was bragging about breaking the law like that while VP, I really can't see any issue with our current President asking the new President of the Ukraine what he can find out about it. It's an international legal matter involving the highest levels of both governments.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2019 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Dems will have their panties in a bunch about that quote...and they'll completely ignore the fact that the Ukraine president is on record as saying "it was a great call, I felt NO type of pressure at all".

If there's extortion...there has to be an extortED. He seems awfully jovial, for someone who's being "used".
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2019 - 01:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Again, the missing piece of the "extortion" seems to be the President of the Ukraine delivering on his end. Maybe that part was done. I haven't seen anything claiming that yet, much less that it was done before Trump released the aid to the Ukraine. Biden OTOH, said they delivered for him within 6 hours. I guess if somehow Biden ever got elected, there would be an instant issue for impeachment there. I think he's going down in flames though.
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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2019 - 02:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The left will successfully blame Trump for Biden’s misdeeds just as they blamed Project Veritas for exposing planned parenthood’s immoral and criminal baby parts business. Until the leftist media is destroyed, the blatant criminal activity will continue unabated.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2019 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/democrats-fume -over-trump-ukraine-transcript-schiff-calls-mob-sh akedown

You are correct!

Since Schiff ( D, mafia? ) can't imagine being nice & open as being good diplomacy, it MUST be a Mob Shakedown, since that is how he thinks.

What I find funny is hours ago he said he would not believe a transcript from the White House, and now it's a completely accepted cause for impeachment.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/desperate-demo crats-dig-deep-throwing-joe-biden-under-bus

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-live-tru mp-zelensky-joint-press-conference-fireworks

This site is highly opinionated! But they aren't Trump loyalists like American Thinker or Establishment Conservatives Never Trumpers like National Review. The site headlines the site owner ( and isn't that name from Fight Club? ) then lists the actual author, from many sources. I suspect his ( the site owner ) bias is basically "the sky is falling" to feed his advertiser products, which SEEM to be investment oriented folk, like precious metals, and "buy my how to save your retirement plan CDs" types, plus the usual Google targeted ads like "Dollar Shave Club" & vacation services .
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2019 - 06:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/09/the_s peech_theyre_trying_to_hide_president_trumps_stell ar_un_speech.html

File also under American biased media misses the point. But millions of victims of Socialism did not.

Great speach. Free speech.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2019 - 07:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"pride in your country; celebrate your differences; respect your neighbors".

No wonder the MSM refuses to carry it.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2019 - 10:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

By mistake? I'd say to troll them.

https://nypost.com/2019/09/25/white-house-emails-t alking-points-on-trumps-ukraine-call-to-the-democr ats/
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2019 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the Dark Web info. I might try it with an old laptop. My point is that lots of people buy into lies, and get hysterical when you tell them they are being lied to.

Person A will say "Hillary is a Saint and never lies and never did anything wrong, ever!" & I might say "Hillary takes massive bribes, committed multiple felonies, has lied repeatedly to defend her meal ticket, a sexual predator, & has left more bodies in her wake than Tony Soprano." .

Obviously I'm right. ; )

But I also hear nearly equal hero worship nonsense about other politicians, and unproven allegations as well.

If your only information source is MSNBC or American Thinker, you will be certain The Bad Orange Man eats babies ripped from their mother's arms in concentration camps, or that he's the greatest Statesman of all time with a soul as pure as the snow Al Gore promised would never fall again.

And only the Al Gore part of that is true.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2019 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://issuesinsights.com/2019/09/26/impeach-joe- biden/
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2019 - 12:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's worth noting that in Quid Pro Joe's video confession of this crime, he also implicated the idea that they could check with President Obama. Perhaps this was a bluff, or, perhaps BO was aware of Quid Pro Joe's plan to use US aid funds to bribe a foreign official. In essence, Quid Pro Joe confessed to an international criminal conspiracy on video. I guess that's OK if you have a (D) next to your name.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2019 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How many times have I already said that?

If you have a (D)...your shit don't stink, and you'll never get prosecuted - either in court, or in the court of public opinion, because the MSM will never report on your (mis)deeds.

(D) = criminal Hall Pass.
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2019 - 01:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Which is why this needs to get as much play as possible.

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