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     Ratbuell |
At least, the ones who aren't wearing blinders and are able to see and admit that's going on...and that's the part that scares the hell out of me. How many of these blind sheep are going to follow the acolyte? And how many will wake up to reality? | ||
| Ebutch |
Kinda what the Libs are trying to feed us ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKkazr8M-n4 | ||
| Reindog |
Mike Pence told us "it is time to come home". Truer words have never been said. It is time for lower taxes. It is time for lower corporate taxes. It is time for jobs. It is time for fair trade. It is time to repeal Obamacare where premiums are rising 80% even though our lying government says "only" 25%. It is time to rebuild our inner cities. It is time for educational reform. It is time to restore our military. It is time for immigration reform. It is time for Constitutionally based Supreme Court justices. It is time to support 2A, not to mention 1A. It is time to make America great again. It is time for Trump. It is way passed time for all y'all to come home. Come home, Badweb. (Message edited by reindog on October 25, 2016) | ||
| Rick_a |
Some celebrities have expressed concern over death threats on their support of Trump. The ever tolerant left. There's been many cases of vandalism in some areas against those showing support. A lot of lazy liberals are just eating up the media barrage against Trump without bothering to seek any alternative news. Trump's own footage debunks a majority of the slanderous statements against him. Lately everyone is in a tizzy over him allegedly being a serial kisser and groper. Considering the very public venues he presided over it's a little tough to take seriously, especially where some of the allegations are coming from. | ||
| Mtnmason |
Anyone who believes that they'll be participating in a 'free' and 'fair' election on Nov. 8th (or beforehand) is living in a dreamworld: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-25/texas-rig ged-first-reports-voting-machines-switching-votes- hillary-texas I'd be surprised if I'm the only one on here that feels as such. I haven't the time to peruse all the postings on here so not sure if that sentiment has been expressed. Were this to happen on a large scale come election day, what then, would be our recourse? | ||
| Torquehd |
I expect that there will be fraud. I wonder if it will be so bad that it will void the democratic voting process. If it does, I expect it will be exposed, folks will be put on trial... ...and nothing will come of it. The election results will not be overturned, there will not be a recount, no one of consequence will go to prison. Well, folks will go to prison, or worse - the folks who have exposed the corruption of the clintons and their cronies. | ||
| Oldog |
I opted to vote early this cycle, we have electronic voting with a paper tape confirmation, as I voted I noticed that the paper tape was not being marked. I heard the machine "printing" but saw no characters, when complete I waited a short space, no printing was visible. After I was finished, no print ever became visible I called a poll worker over and questioned it, the fist one said "it moved fast I did not see it" I argued that I work with tech and I had watched it, I never saw the paper even move, the first worker called her supervisor whom opened the machine, yep plenty of paper,I was mistaken the first visible vote was for clinton, at that point I insisted ( politely ) that I had not voted for clinton, I was allowed to fill out some forms and re-cast my ballot, WHEN YOU VOTE PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE MACHINE, MOST MACHINES HAVE A PAPER BACK UP ROLL THAT AS YOU VOTE YOUR CHOICES ARE PRINTED ON A TAPE THESE ARE CHECKED TO MATCH THE SCREEN RECORD ANY TIME THERE IS A QUESTION had I not caught this I would have effectively not voted. Not a huge Trump fan, but clinton is a disaster waiting to happen. "this would be amusing were I not forced to participate" O.D. | ||
| Oldog |
Were this to happen on a large scale come election day, what then, would be our recourse? I would hope that 1. calls and letters to our congress critters demanding a re-vote on paper ballots 2. harsh punishment for the perpetrators, if found ( I consider this a form of treason, and believe that it should be dealt with in that manner ) 3. a paper ballot re-vote, no hanging chaf crap, either its good or not. 4. IF all else fails then the tree of liberty may need to be watered  Its a sad state of affairs when the two major candidates for the highest office in the land can't debate in a civilized manner and sound like to kids squabbling on a school yard . . . } | ||
| Elsinore74 |
Oldog, I second what you say about checking/confirming your vote. I can't confirm, but can't rule out the validity of a story I heard about a touch-screen voting machine (in 2012): After marking their choices, the voter was asked to scroll down to confirm, at which time their choices were no longer visible at the top of the screen. The person relating the story scrolled back to the top of the screen, and found his choice for POTUS had changed. Some may call this tinfoil hat stuff, but it doesn't take more than a couple of seconds to check, just for peace of mind. | ||
| Sifo |
Scary stuff there Oldog! Glad you were on top of it. It seems that it's becoming less and less of "conspiracy theory" that voting machine rigging is happening. It should be a pretty simply matter to devise voting machines that can't be directly hacked. It actually takes a lot of effort to create machines that can be connected to networks that can be hacked. Of course, anything can be violated by the poll workers if we don't have attentive people watching what is going on. I'll be having a new voting experience, after moving to a new state. I understand that we actually have to show our state ID card to vote! I'm surprise that has been allowed to stand. Meanwhile, I do wonder if someone will be voting for me back in IL. I wish there was a way to check that no one is voting for me back there. It would be all to easy to use people like myself to commit voter fraud on a fairly large scale. | ||
| Sifo |
I can't confirm, but can't rule out the validity of a story I heard about a touch-screen voting machine (in 2012): After marking their choices, the voter was asked to scroll down to confirm, at which time their choices were no longer visible at the top of the screen. The person relating the story scrolled back to the top of the screen, and found his choice for POTUS had changed. There are already reports of that happening in this election during early voting. Pay attention. There's still tons of ways to rig the system that we have no way of verifying. The more technology they add, the worse it gets for that too. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I'm in the industry, and I can pretty much guarantee it's impossible. What you can do is make a machine that is more difficult to hack, and that is even more difficult to allow vote manipulation that can't be detected. Anything that doesn't include a persistent artifact (like a paper) with that can be meaningfully verified by the individual casting the vote has already failed. | ||
| Sifo |
I'm in the industry, and I can pretty much guarantee it's impossible. I think you may have misread what I said. I probably should have made the point that as soon as you connect a computer to a network, you open it up to attacks on that network. Connect it to the internet, and you open it up to attack from the entire world. The single, best way to prevent a hack, is to isolate the computer. There is very little reason to be creating voting systems that are connected to the internet in any way. Yes, I used to hate when some top manager would demand that a system be connected to the internet so that he could pull up a report from home. Suddenly the security issues in that system would escalate in a huge way. Too many people just don't seem to get that point. | ||
| Hughlysses |
And the disinformation campaign continues...regarding the voting machine issues in Texas: This story on Yahoo says some conservative websites are already trafficking in conspiracy theories that the election is being decided unfairly, and that Drudge published a story from a wacko conspiracy theorist about the voting machine problems, and then it basically says "we talked to officials in Texas and they say the woman who voted likely hit the wrong button." https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-elections-officia l-says-human-error-likely-behind-ballot-confusion- 194749188.html Meanwhile, there's this story that says Texas officials discovered there's an error in the programming that fails to select the presidential candidate when the voter picks a straight party ticket and as a result they've switched to paper ballots: http://www.infowars.com/texas-county-switches-to-p aper-ballots-after-electronic-voting-glitches/ Nope, nothing to see here; move along. | ||
| Tootal |
Same thing was happening in Belleville Illinois near St. Louis. Press Republican and it would vote all Republican except for President which was Hillary. | ||
| Airbozo |
This is why I vote by absentee ballot. Not to mention I barely have time to get to my polling place before it closes. But then I have to rely on the data entry operator getting it right. As an aside: I have _ALWAYS_ been asked for ID before I can get my ballot at my polling place (when I did vote in person), so I don't see what the issue is elsewhere. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Sure. But its still not sufficient. The chain of custody for the machines is weak, so they are open to direct physical tampering, and voters interact with them, so they are open to direct physical tampering. Stuxnet showed that air gaps are just another hurdle to overcome, not a hard stop. In that case, it was a simple matter to infect USB devices that were used to move data across the airgap, and make the USB malware clean itself up after a small fixed number of infections, so it does it's job and then vanishes. And in case that failed, there was also an element of direct infiltration and direct physical infection baked into stuxnet. Not sure if that was a crazy brave Israeli, or a crazy brave American. | ||
| Hughlysses |
So now the DNC is suing the RNC because they haven't sufficiently rebuked Trumps claim of possible election fraud, claiming this lack of rebuke is effectively minority voter intimidation: http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/26/politics/democrats-r epublicans-donald-trump-lawsuit/index.html  | ||
| Court |
Well . . . with 10% of the registered voters in the United States having already voted, the early experiences ain't that shiny. I was reading some stories yesterday that included a number of errors in the way the voting machines were recording votes. The most entertaining, and simultaneously distressing, was the machine where a person selected an entire Republican ticket and but the machine cast the Presidential vote for HRC. Tough to believe . . . We'll see how this plays out. It's scary to think that the entire country could be in for the "Bernie Sanders . . it was decided months ago" treatment of making the actual voting nothing more than a visual exercise. | ||
| Crusty |
If this is true, then I don't know what I'll do. I really believed in the American System of government. Lately, I'm coming to believe that maybe a Benevolent Dictator or an Enlightened Despot might be better. It really sucks having to choose between a corrupt Career Politician and a self inflated obnoxious jackass. America deserves better. | ||
| Sifo |
So now the DNC is suing the RNC because they haven't sufficiently rebuked Trumps claim of possible election fraud, claiming this lack of rebuke is effectively minority voter intimidation: These people must be easily intimidated. Honestly, I can't even understand how it's the least bit intimidating. OK, Perhaps some dead people will be intimidated from voting if there's the threat of actually trying to catch them in the act of voting. Of course, I would describe this as enforcement of our voting laws. I guess enforcement of laws can be intimidating to criminals. Dammit! I just convinced myself that this is voter intimidation! | ||
| Hughlysses |
I can't imagine presenting a suit to a judge for review stating that Trump implying he may lose the election because of election fraud will somehow intimidate some democrats and cause them not to vote. So it's OK for the democrats to skew the poles to "show" they've got the election in the bag for the express purpose of convincing some Republicans not to vote, but if a Republican says the democrats may have the election in the bag because of voting/voter fraud, that's illegal?  | ||
| Ratbuell |
Oh, but that's not the democrats skewing polls. It's the pollsters. Plausible deniability. Trumps accusations are Trump himself calling "bullshit" on the entire process. This...is not looking good. I wonder if I order tonight, will my Georgia arms shipment arrive in time for the 8th....time to stock up in afraid. I suspect things will turn ugly. I plan to take photos with my cellphone, as I vote. Finger on the Trump button. Screen shows...whatever it shows. If it's wrong on the screen, there's gonna be a shitstorm. I'd urge everyone else to do the same - photo document your votes!! | ||
| Sifo |
I'd urge everyone else to do the same - photo document your votes!! Oddly, it's illegal in many states.  | ||
| Ratbuell |
So's voter fraud. | ||
| Sifo |
Now, that is odd... | ||
| Oldog |
Anything that doesn't include a persistent artifact (like a paper) with that can be meaningfully verified by the individual casting the vote has already failed. What Reep said .. all we can do is pay attention, and demand from our congress critters that they write harsh punishment for election tampering... } | ||
| Mikej |
It didn't happen in 2012 locally where some districts had more than a 100% voter turnout, and at least one was reported to have 100% votes for O and zero cast for anyone else, based upon a few news and secondary news results postings. We are about past the Soap Box, and are close to passing the Ballot Box, I truely hope we don't get to the third Box. (Message edited by mikej on October 27, 2016) | ||
| Fb1 |
Y'all will recall that Catherine Engelbrecht/True the Vote was the first, and hardest, hit by IRS and DOJ weaponization in the lead-up to the 2012 election. She was brutalized by our federal government, for something as common sense as wanting to ensure our voting process is honest and robust. Why?
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