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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, January 24, 2020 - 05:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They do not eat at all. They are not living creatures.
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, January 24, 2020 - 05:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That is one definition. Bordering on theology. Not that I'm arguing with you.

They reproduce. So viruses aren't simple chemicals like a poison gas. ( something else that can kill you in a complex way )

"Eat" you? Yeah, that's a simplified version. They use your substance to reproduce, in a far tinier way than a steak dinner and chocolate is used by us. : )

I'm agnostic on the terminology. Other folk can argue.
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, January 24, 2020 - 06:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/please-help -us-supply-shortages-rock-wuhan-outbreak-overwhelm s-chinese-healthcare

I urge all visitors from China to go observe our enlightened government in action. Shake hands with Congress and staff. Especially the Chinese friendly Democrats. Hang out in the viewing galleries. Many of the Congress folk are very approachable! Kisses with tongue are customary. ; )

Avoid the White House, unfriendly guards and obnoxious press.
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, January 24, 2020 - 06:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/huge-explosion-ho uston-plant-destroys-neighborhoods-multiple-fatali ties-1-still-missing

Prayers aren't a bad idea.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, January 24, 2020 - 06:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They do not reproduce. They get inside living cells, and the cells create copies of them. That is not reproduction. Only living things can reproduce.
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, January 24, 2020 - 06:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/time-im-petrified -virologist-who-helped-discover-sars-offers-chilli ng-take-coronavirus

Fair warning. Sensationalism in action. Use salt.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, January 24, 2020 - 06:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hereís a thought experiment.

If I looked at a chair, and the form of the chair caused a neurochemical change in my brain that compelled me to construct 10 chairs just like it, has the chair reproduced? Is it alive?
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Tpehak
Posted on Friday, January 24, 2020 - 06:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And that's how viruses eat. They take our flesh and copy themselves. This is their way to eat.

(Message edited by TPEHAK on January 24, 2020)
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, January 24, 2020 - 07:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That is ridiculous. They ingest nothing. They excrete nothing. They have no metabolism. They do not copy themselves. They are incapable of doing so. They affect the cell in a way that makes the cell create more viruses.This is junior high biology.
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Tpehak
Posted on Friday, January 24, 2020 - 07:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They convert our flesh to their flesh. Same we do when we eat other creatures flesh.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, January 24, 2020 - 08:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sigh. Not even close. They donít have flesh. They are nonliving partial strands of DNA. They have no bodies, no cell walls, no mitochondria. They are not alive, they donít do anything. Cell react to their presence.
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, January 24, 2020 - 08:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Theology. copy/reproduction consume/convert

They affect the cell in a way that makes the cell create more viruses. Psychically? Magik? The Will of Baal?

This is junior high biology. Yep.
They change stuff up in basic college courses, and again for the premed students.

The Grade school Atomic stuff is...simplified. Barely above Greek philosopher level. Smallest bits. But they aren't. and the "indivisible" smaller bits... they are from smaller bits. BUT THAT'S IT! no smaller bits! Huh? you call them What?

Still I won't argue a virus is "alive". I agree it's not. the Reproduce vs. Copy by magik part... I don't know about that.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, January 24, 2020 - 09:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Your logic is flawed. Only a living thing has the ability to reproduce. A virus is not a living thing. It cannot reproduce. If youíd like to know the mechanism by which a cell creates new dna strands that match that of the virus versus its own, youíll need to speak with a cellular biologist. I can only tell you that thatís what happens. It is not magic, or Baal. Thatís just ignorant.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, January 24, 2020 - 09:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

By your logic is flawed, I mean your conclusion that college biology classes teach that a virus is alive because elementary chemistry doesnít go into quarks and neutrinos is flawed.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, January 24, 2020 - 09:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I apologize if Iím coming off a bit of a dick. Iím sick as #%*•
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, January 24, 2020 - 11:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

41 dead so far. To put that into perspective, there are ~125,000 abortions carried out every day. Not dismissing the potential of this to get much worse, but damn. 125,000. Every day.
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Tpehak
Posted on Saturday, January 25, 2020 - 01:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Viruses is the way to communicate between the creatures. Dogs can communicate cats, cats can communicate human. Snakes from China can communicate snakes in the USA. When you eat dogs you take their DNA info through the viruses. Then you go with this info to another place, then you die in another place, creatures eat your body and take the DNA message from the virus.


(Message edited by TPEHAK on January 25, 2020)
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, January 25, 2020 - 02:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

...your conclusion that college biology classes teach that a virus is alive because elementary...

I make no such conclusion. At no time do I assert viruses are alive.

It is not magic, or Baal. Thatís just ignorant. No, it's Sarcasm.

Jr. High Biology is necessarily incomplete. Just as physics is taught as a series of incomplete ideas that gradually, usually in college engineering courses, ; ) approach the limits of our understanding.

That's a joke too. Technically quantum philosophy is the edge, not bridges or logic circuits. The belief that the science is settled is nonsense.

Again I'm not arguing viruses are alive.

I'm pointing out you have to define life to make the determination that they aren't.

This issue came up on earlier Viking 1&2 Mars landers. It took soil and put it in sealed tubes & tested.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_lander_biol ogical_experiments

They had to come up with tests, so, to over simplify, using assumptions that the biochemistry would be Earthlike, looked for biological reactions in chemical and isotope tests.

Basically 3 questions. Did it eat? Did it produce waste? Did it reproduce?

They got 1 or 2 out of three positive and have been arguing about it since. With big, bad publicity and angry yelling, at the time. Reporters were annoyed and confused.

After that, they no longer hype life tests, and the Orthodox religious science mantra is there is no life, but there could have been, and might be some fossil record but we aren't looking in the right place, yet.

I'm kinda agnostic on the subject. We haven't taken a sample home without sterilization to prevent space plague. The odds are long, but it's a poor consolation to be extinct on a long shot.

Once we have actual labs with people taking samples from below the ice caps etc. Then they can argue again.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, January 26, 2020 - 08:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.breitbart.com/news/beijing-to-suspend- buses-entering-or-leaving-capital-to-contain-virus -state-media/
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, January 26, 2020 - 08:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.breitbart.com/border/2020/01/25/xi-jin ping-accelerating-spread-of-coronavirus-grave-situ ation-suspends-tourist-travel-abroad/

https://www.breitbart.com/news/china-rushes-to-bui ld-new-hospital-for-virus-within-10-days-2/

https://www.breitbart.com/border/2020/01/25/corona virus-u-s-orders-wuhan-consulate-staff-to-leave-ci ty/
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, January 26, 2020 - 09:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/01/25/chines e-coronavirus-first-european-cases-as-beijing-crac ks-down-locking-down-56-million-people/

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/01/24/chicag o-woman-diagnosed-with-chinas-coronavirus/

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/01/24/colombia n-man-in-wuhan-weve-known-of-deadly-virus-for-a-mo nth/

https://www.breitbart.com/africa/2020/01/23/chinas -belt-road-connects-africa-deadly-virus/

Separating the hype from facts can be hard.

Especially when the Chinese dictatorship is obviously been lying for over a month about a subject & is vanishing people who speak out about spread, conditions, supply shortages and, of course, the State's dishonesty.

Apparently, as far as the rest of the world is concerned, infected people have been traveling since mid December.

I've seen pictures alleging to be Chinese food markets with little to no modern sanitation practices, but without better documentation don't want to join the hype train.

Wash your hands, Local medical offices offer masks and gloves at the check in desk, Use them & know how to, in waiting rooms.

If you want to fort up in your isolated cabin and wait for this to be over, feel free. : ) But it's probably an over reaction, too late, etc. I would avoid buying the cheap Chinese survival food supplies. ; )
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, January 26, 2020 - 07:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/01/t he_democrats_cognitive_disorder.html

Posted here for the section on the coronavirus/Hunan crisis. Rude, but accurate.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, January 26, 2020 - 07:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The corona virus appears terrifying and hard to contain, but to keep some perspective, 6600 people in the U.S. have died of influenza in the U.S. this year.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, January 27, 2020 - 06:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/01/w hat_caused_the_australian_fires_global_warming_obs truction_of_fire_prevention_burns_arson.html
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, January 27, 2020 - 09:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.breitbart.com/border/2020/01/26/china- coronavirus-could-spread-two-weeks-before-symptoms -show/

1-2 weeks contagious before symptoms appear?

I now predict it's just starting here. Hopefully there's not much overlap between folk who can afford to fly to China and the street people population.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, January 27, 2020 - 01:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/wuhan-mayor -offers-resign-coronavirus-death-toll-accelerates- supply-shortages

This is from a sensationalist site. Hype level high.

The good news is the CDC isn't playing politics with Climate Con funding here. They've got a test, and published the details to health organizations world wide. And done a gene sequence to track if it mutates. Good work!

The Bad news might, maybe, rumor only, be that this is a biowar agent that got out of a biological warfare lab in Hunan. If so, it's a good question if it's poor practices from a lousy Death Lab, which is a little terrifying, or a deliberate plague to kill off excess peasants, distract the pro freedom protesters, and get world sympathy for the poor hard-working Dictatorship.

Unfortunately either nightmare is totally believable. To the Glorious Leader, murdering a billion people is a win win. More power for him & less mouths to feed or run over with tanks if they get uppity.

If it turns out they vaccinated the high government and loyal army officers....

But this whole scenario is pure speculation.

That the Chinese government is scapegoating politicians is normal. Even executing Governors for corruption. Not sure how they chose the scapegoats. Not paying Party dues?

If so Occasional Cortex better watch her back.
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Hootowl
Posted on Monday, January 27, 2020 - 04:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

An interesting proposal. And a bit of perspective from the locals.

https://api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/pu blic/amp/news/travelnews/2012/01/120112-venice-flo oding-travel-science
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