| Author | Message | ||
     Roadrunr |
Mikej, There must be some type of check valve in the primary cause I cant blow air into it but it puffs steam or smoke out the end of the vent hose when the bike is running after a short ride. Does a tea pot have a check valve? When the water boils, does steam flow from the tea pot? If you try to blow into the pot what happens? Transmission breather/teapot... same-same.  (Message edited by blake on May 23, 2003, %time) | ||
| Sportyeric |
Which gets ya back to the matter of: Did the shop do something to the crankcase breather system(pinch the hose, install bolts instead of hollow bolts at the head, or ??) to create a blown crank seal problem or is it only a matter of coincidence? Or is there still another explanation. | ||
| Roadrunr |
Sporty, No, all they said they did was replace the oil lines. The breather hoses are just the way I set them up a year ago. Gotta be a coincidence I guess. | ||
| Anonymous |
Here is a question, how much oil should you put in the primary? What is the capacity of the primary? How do these two questions / answers relate to each other? Consider your answers carefully. | ||
| Blake |
Kin I answer? ![:]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/proud.gif) | ||
| Anonymous |
Sure, it most likely is the key to this entire thread. Why is it that people hear a kid sneeze and then want to do brain surgery on the kid? | ||
| Spiderman |
>>>>> Here is a question, how much oil should you put in the primary? 28 ounces >>>>>What is the capacity of the primary? Not sure but it has to be a lot cause the primary and tranny share the same open area. so if i had to guess it would be a few gallons  | ||
| Blake |
Primary/tranny oil capacity is 32 onces = 1 quart. After draining refill till fluid just touches clutch spring (bike up straight and level); this requires approximately 28 onces. Do NOT overfill. | ||
| Anonymous |
Well, kinda... In the interest of being long winded and believing every question has a half hour answer. The primary does (normally, except in Spidy's world) hold 32 ounces of fluid. When you drain it (without removing the primary cover) it is not likely you will remove all 32 ounces of fluid. Some fluid is trapped by the gasket that protrudes up into the primary cavity, some is held in the rotor of the charging system, some is held in the transmission cavity. The correct fill level is to hold the bike vertical and fill until the fluid level reaches the bottom of the clutch spring. Experience says that is approximately 28 oz. If the primary is overfilled, the excess fluid will be vented overboard via the vent line. While the venting overboard of the fluid "could" be caused by a sprocket shaft bearing seal failure allowing fluid to transfer from the flywheel cavity over to the primary, nothing in the post starting this thread would suggest that is what has happened. One, the venting started much too soon after servicing the bike. There is just not enough time to transfer enough fluid to cause a problem unless the seal is GONE. A simple leaking seal will not (usually) let enough fluid pass that quickly. The service performed did not go anywhere near that seal unless the person doing the service was, well, lets just say not qualified to to the job and leave it at that. Lets take a look into the way-back machine and see that the primary cover gasket was changed, in a shop, on a lift with the bike vertical and never leaned over to remove the last few ounces of fluid trapped in the transmission. If the tech (term used loosely) just dumped 32oz (it holds 1 qt. right?, so 1 qt. is what you put in right?) in after replacing the cover, odds are there is now about 34-36oz in the primary. Having said all that, I could be wrong and the seal could be leaking... When ever something goes wrong, my first question to the operator is ALWAYS "what was done last?" 9 times out of 10, the (honest) answer tells me what has to be done next. The problem with that is, most times the (not so honest) answer is embarrassing to the operator and they say "uuuuuhhhh, nothin man, it just started doing it all on its own." All this is the long way of saying, remove clutch cover, insert turkey baster, and remove any fluid higher than the bottom of the clutch spring. Blake, I'm sure the tea pot appreciates the effort, but please, you worry me when you talk about blowing the tea pot. That's a fever blister on your lip right? hehehehehehe I crack me up! (edit as required) <ducking><running><laughing><hiding> Spidy, If a pig with a wooden leg was rowing a canoe down the street in a snow storm, how long would it take a monkey to kick the seeds out of a pickle? | ||
| Blake |
Anony, How many times I gotta tell you?... Quit your fantasizing. | ||
| Shotgun |
Anony, would that be a sweet pickle or a dill? | ||
| Sportyeric |
Long winded it was. Short winded version: maybe it was over-filled. "Or is there another explanation?" What was done last? An oil leak repair, where, I don't know. I assmed engine, not primary. Is there any engine mis-assembly that can lead to crank seal problems? Not internally (save a holed piston,perhaps). Given the weird, non-stock breathing contraptions we all have created, that is a likely candidate for a blown seal problem after shop work. An obviosly pinched line wold confirm the diagnosis. However, before I'd go in for what I think of as major repair, even if Aaron doesn't, I'd consider frther diagnostics which mst be old news in the archives here. Oil level in primary, yes. How mch is being ejected? Rate of change of oil level in the engine? (Sorry abot all the missing letters. I have a speech impediment til I find some time for shopping.) Does the tranny vent normally pff (Damn!) as he describes? | ||
| Buellistic |
BUELLERs: Do your engine a favor, adjust the primary chain from to 5/8 to 3/4 inch... In buelling LaFayette | ||
| Reepicheep |
Cool! I was just looking something else up and found a new service bullitin over on sporttwin.com... http://www.sporttwin.com/pdf/svcbulletins/B043.pdf It shows the "bad" and the "good" engine sprocket nut that snuck on to some 2000 and 2001's. They are easy to spot. Check it out next time the primary is off... From the document...  Special thanks for sport twin for putting the docs online. edited by reepicheep on May 31, 2003 | ||
| Bud |
I have a question ! Just me looking around for options. Story; This winter I’m gona bigbore the little bolt, A fellow dutch buelligan has the bigbore already on , and it’s f**&^ing great Loads of torque, to have fun with But the thing is, as is on the stock bolt I’m already shifting for the 6e gear, Because I like to ride it low in rpm, normally shifting @ 4,5k rpm I like to make the gearing a bit higher Wheelying in to 3e gear, for me is overkill. And the cruising speed rpm drops a bit for longer lasting fun. I like to change the front primary sprocket for a bigger one. Or a 6 speed gearbox. The idée to change the font and rear belt sprocket is a idée as well, but I really would like the belt covers to stay on. Does any of you, any experience with this subject ? And care to enlighten me Gr, martin | ||
| Leeaw |
I just changed my primary fliud and adjusted the chain. It seemed kinda loose cold. I now get a sort of ticking noise like the chain clicking inside the case. I adjusted it to just about 1/2" or slightly less of up/down play. Could I have made it too tight, or what might I have done wrong? I only did about 28oz of fluid. It's a 99M2. edited by leeaw on June 26, 2003 | ||
| Buellistic |
Leeaw: Have been adjusting my primary chain at 5/8" to 3/4" for years... It is my opinion the chain adjuster pad lasts longer and chain never gets to tight when it is run hard... Amount of transmission is 28oz... If you run SCREAMN'EAGLE SYC3 not only will it lube better, it shifts better also... In buelling LaFayette | ||
| Aaron |
SYC3? or SYN3? | ||
| Leeaw |
So you think it is too tight? Can that cause the noise? I know it was closer to 3/4" before I adjusted it. I went with Mobil1 synth which I used to use. | ||
| Blake |
Lee, Did you ensure that you adjusted it at its tautest position? I agree with LaFayette. It's much better to err on the slightly loose side, but a half inch is on the high side of the range. If you forgot to check the tension for different positions of the chain/sprockets, you probably should go back and do that. It is surprising how much it can vary as the sprockets rotate. Do you have the newer/beefier adjuster shoe? If not, you might want to upgrade (Buell Part Number 39975-90A). | ||
| Leeaw |
Blake, I will go back and check it again, and will loosen it a bit. I don't have the beefier shoe but don't have a garage to dig into that. It was hot enough today here in NY. One a side note, I would like to say my wife passed her MSF course and now owns a new Intruder 800. Although she likes the M2, she's a cruiser. | ||
| Leeaw |
Figured it out this morning when I saw a wet spot on the ground. The locking nut for the adjuster had loosened and the chain was loose. Could not see it with the chin spoiler on. | ||
| Jim_witt |
Not bad for 40,000 miles plus!   -JW:> | ||
| Road_thing |
Jim, I think you got your money's worth out of that old tensioner!! r-t | ||
| 99x1 |
Just wondering; Is engine braking hard on the tensioner? (the tight side of the chain is then on the tensioner?). I like the sound of engine braking, but if it is hard on the tensioner.... | ||
| Road_thing |
99--Tensioners are consumable, they're designed to wear out. How FAST they wear out is up to you.... r-t | ||
| Jim_witt |
I always engine brake ... as you can see my tensioner lasted 40,000 miles plus, just like my V&H muffler that's been on since day one. Suppose I'm just one of those lucky guys. -JW:> | ||
| Buellistic |
BUELLers: Adjust the primary chain to 5/8" to 3/4" on the tight spot cold and see how much longer your tensioner will last!!! In buelling LaFayette | ||
| Silverbuell |
Primary Gasket Help I have the new reinforced primarycover gasket ( $20.00 versus $5 for the old paper style) and am unsure if I should continue to use a small amount of Hylmar(?) sealer as I did on the old paper style to insure a proper seal. I would sure be grateful for any recommendations. Tim Burns 98 S3T, 36,000 miles and still smiling | ||
| Buellistic |
Silverbuell: What is the PART NUMBER of this NEW REINFORCED PRIMARYCOVER GASKET... In buelling LaFayette |
