"I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
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>>>I'm really glad your convinced that the Buell is the do all end all of bikes....
I'm convinced of no such thing. The idea is ludicrous, foolish, and idiotic. Only a complete moron would hold such a view.
That you contrive the idea that I hold such a view speaks to your integrity, or more precisely your lack thereof. I simply stated my own preference. That for street bike duty, I can't stand the gutless little 600cc turbine bike repli-racers. For street duty I prefer the Buell.
>>>My Buell is the funnest street bike to date and I will get another one.
Sounds like you agree with me. So what is your point of contention?
>>>Do as I say, not as I do...
My insults are never childish nor are they hateful. When I insult you, it is with maturity and a calm demeanor.
>>>They are like letting a retarded kid into the Olympics on the track... sure they can do it, but in the end they FAIL..
A retarded kid can qualify for the Olympics? There you go again, making stuff up. Try sticking to factual debate for a change.
Your understanding of motorcycle racing is sorely lacking. You've not heard of the ASRA Thunderbike series? Buells do very well racing there against comparable competition, even against bikes that come stock with 20 HP more. Did you miss the MotoST series last year. Again, Buells did well.
>>>Speaking of TRACKS.....Gotta love the "Special" treatment Buell has been getting lately for there so called "Factory" race bike... Its not even Superbike legal since its not street legal.
What does that have to do with "Tracks"?
But to your point re rules and special treatment and legality: Your understanding of the situation is terribly inaccurate. No Superbike anywhere is street legal. The Ducati Corse 1198R F09 is not street legal. It is a factory produced, race-only Superbike version of its 1198R street bike.
The Yoshimura Suzuki GSXR1000K9 is not a street legal motorcycle. It is a special race-only Superbike version of its GSXR1000 street bike.
The same goes for the Yamaha Superbike.
Likewise, the Buell 1125RR is a factory produced Superbike version of its 1125R street bike. Simple.
>>>So WHY is DMG allowing it? It's A BUELL SILLY!!!
They allow it because it meets the spirit if not the letter of the rules and because AMA Pro Racing secured guarantees from Buell Racing that they would fully support the bike and any racers who campaign one in AMA Superbike racing. See if you can get Yoshimura Suzuki or the Factory Yamaha or factory Honda teams to agree to a similar commitment. They won't. That is why. Pretty simple. Logic and common sense are all that is required to comprehend the issue.
Seems to me that some of the anti-Buell racing folks have a very antagonistic view towards Buell motorcycles when it comes to racing.
Your Buell broke on the track. So sorry for you. It was obviously quite traumatic for you.
I've put over 1000 miles on the track including in actual races on my Buell. I'll continue to do so. If it breaks, I'll repair it.
Anyone who's ever raced a motorcycle for any length of time has experienced mechanical failures on the track.
Your attitude reminds me a little of the Honda CBR600RR owner I met at the track one weekend; his Honda kept belching boiling hot coolant all over his right leg after just a few laps on a hot Texas Summer afternoon. He was kinda like you; he saw me racking up lap after lap, session after session, on the Buell while he was trying repeatedly yet unsuccessfully to resolve his boiling hot puking coolant problem; he exclaimed with much frustration as he looked over at the Buell, I'm going to get an air-cooled bike too, this thing SUCKS!
I didn't chastise him or rub it in. I just said that I sure enjoyed riding it.
So despite your irrational protestations, my Buell does just fine at the track and many, many others do as well.
Again, sorry for your bad luck, but your miserable characterization of Buell motorcycles wrt the race track is more indicative of some queer pent-up hostility than reality. It's not the type negativity we appreciate here on a Buell enthusiasts' discussion forum.
Buell riders won nine races in a double-header weekend of Motorsports.com CCS sprint competition at Barber Motorsports Park.
Richardson rode a Buell 1125R to a pair of wins in Amateur Heavyweight Superbike and Amateur SuperTwins, and to a win in Amateur GTO. He also won Amateur Thunderbike on a Buell XB12R.
Kegel H-D/Buell rider Jay Smith rode a Buell XB12R to wins in Amateur Lightweight Superbike and Amateur Thunderbike.
Joel Spalding rode a Buell 1125R to a win in Expert SuperTwins.
Bilansky Expands ASRA Pro Thunderbike Lead at Barber
Hal's H-D/Buell/Hal's Speed Shop rider Dan Bilansky leads the Pro Thunderbike standings in the ASRA Michelin Pro Series by 29 points after riding a Buell Firebolt XB12R to a second-place finish at Barber Motorsports Park. Ray Price Harley-Davidson/Buell rider Jordon Richardson was third. Bilansky's closest rival in the series, Hal's Harley-Davidson/Buell/Hal's Speed Shop rider Joel Spalding, finished fifth. The race was won by Nate Kern, who led every lap on his BMW.
"Kern had the fastest bike here all weekend," said Bilansky. "We are on new tires this year and just couldn't find a good set-up for the bike and this track until Sunday morning, and then I could not get up to speed in time to make a difference. We are still in good shape for the championship and added to our points lead, so from that perspective it was a good day for us."
Buell rider Sam Rozynski (Soundwaves.com/H-D/Buell of Frederick) was fourth, followed by Spalding and the Buell of Joe Rozynski (Soundwaves.com/H-D/Buell of Frederick).
After eight events on the 10-race 2009 ASRA Michelin Pro Series Thunderbike schedule, Bilansky leads with 200 points, followed by Spalding with 171 points, Joe Rozynski with 156, Sam Rozynski with 147, Kern with 127.
The next event on the ASRA Michelin Pro Series schedule is the End of Summer Cyclefest, Sept. 19-20, at Virginia International Raceway, Alton Va..
Darn sucky, slow, and heavy Buell racebikes always blowing up...
There are a lot more if you are interested. Kinda blows the slow and heavy theory to bits though, so you might not want to read it.
Thank you for agreeing to abide by our policy wrt personal attack. No problem blake…. Just showing my love for Badweb}
>>>I'm really glad your convinced that the Buell is the do all end all of bikes....
I'm convinced of no such thing. The idea is ludicrous, foolish, and idiotic. Only a complete moron would hold such a view.
That you contrive the idea that I hold such a view speaks to your integrity, or more precisely your lack thereof. I simply stated my own preference. That for street bike duty, I can't stand the gutless little 600cc turbine bike repli-racers. For street duty I prefer the Buell.
Well we all have our opinions... The bike is fun around town for sure. Smooth shifting, quiet, and easy to ride. But then so are a lot of other bikes. Why all the hatred Blake? For a gutless little 600 it sticks with 900-1200cc Tractors with double the cc’s no problem..The buell is a great bike off the line, Good Torque curve, but after that the gutless bike blows right by. Is this a “disagree with Blake and you are wrong moment?”}
>>>My Buell is the funnest street bike to date and I will get another one.
Sounds like you agree with me. So what is your point of contention?
I Agree with you on what? That I don't wear Buell Goggles & won't be convinced they are the do all end all bike? What Contention? I was only stating my opinion and that I like ALL bikes... Depends what I am doing with the bike obviously. Some are BETTER than others at certain things.. Pretty simple. Logic and common sense are all that is required to comprehend the issue. }
>>>Do as I say, not as I do...
Your such a hypocrite, it is blatant and it is well known here on Badweb. I am sure I am not the first to feel this way. Don’t agree with blake and you are wrong. Word it any way you wish. But this ultimately is your house and you can change the rules to suit your situation anytime you wish. It makes perfect sense why you agree with DMG in stretching/twisting rules as you go. You’re a Buell guy and feel the need to stick for them! I understand that}
My insults are never childish nor are they hateful. When I insult you, it is with maturity and a calm demeanor. My bad. It all makes sense to me now; you can fluff it up any way you wish.. But to think you are not childish and hateful is debateable.
They are like letting a retarded kid in the Olympics on the track... sure they can do it, but in the end they FAIL..
A retarded kid can qualify for the Olympics? There you go again, making stuff up. Try sticking to factual debate for a change. Sorry, I thought you would pick up on my sarcasm. I failed to be perfectly clear and to the point some days. You sound like one of them people who like to debate politics and use word manipulation to prove your point. All smoke and mirrors.
Your understanding of motorcycle racing is sorely lacking. You've not heard of the ASRA Thunderbike series? Buells do very well racing there against comparable competition, even against bikes that come stock with 20 HP more. Did you miss the MotoST series last year. Again, Buells did well.
>>>Speaking of TRACKS.....Got to love the "Special" treatment Buell has been getting lately for there so called "Factory" race bike... It’s not even Superbike legal since its not street legal.
What does that have to do with "Tracks"?
Oi.... I need to speak slow and clear.... I am sure you know what I was saying…or not) }
But to your point re rules and special treatment and legality: Your understanding of the situation is terribly inaccurate. No Superbike anywhere is street legal. The Ducati Corse 1198R F09 is not street legal. It is a factory produced, race-only Superbike version of its 1198R street bike.
The Yoshimura Suzuki GSXR1000K9 is not a street legal motorcycle. It is a special race-only Superbike version of its GSXR1000 street bike.
The same goes for the Yamaha Superbike.
Likewise, the Buell 1125RR is a factory produced Superbike version of its 1125R street bike. Simple.
Personally I do not agree with DMG and Buell's "Controversial" Bike, Rules are rules and should not be stretched, broken or BOTH in this case! If they are going to do it, change them for the following season and let this year’s rules rule. Then again a different way to look at it would be that the more manufacturers racing the better and if having Buell in AMA superbike brings more fans/money to the series, why not. Should the Suzuki's, Yamaha's, Kawasaki’s, and Honda riders be worried? I think not. The Buell has a hard enough time winning in the "600 series" with a motor twice the size, so why will it be a threat in Superbike? I just feel all manufacturers should be given the EXACT same rules to follow. I can see it now, Next season Buell will have a 1800cc motor for there “Superbike”, while others are stuck with the 1000’s...It is almost comical}
>>>So WHY is DMG allowing it? It's A BUELL SILLY!!!
They allow it because it meets the spirit if not the letter of the rules and because AMA Pro Racing secured guarantees from Buell Racing that they would fully support the bike and any racers who campaign one in AMA Superbike racing. See if you can get Yoshimura Suzuki or the Factory Yamaha or factory Honda teams to agree to a similar commitment. They won't. That is why. Pretty simple. Logic and common sense are all that is required to comprehend the issue.
Are you kidding me? The "spirit" of the rules? Rules are rules. They should be clear and to the point. There is no way anyone can justify that the 1125RR should be legal, But since Buell is the only factory that will talk to DMG what option do they have? Next year when the big 4 money dries up DMG will need Buell’s money more then ever. Soon Buell will be the "Official Bike of Nasbike" with bikes for every class.
It is almost sad that Buell has not produce a "production based" offering to compete (insert class or series here), cc's or otherwise. If you want to race in "supersport" manufacture a 600cc bike. If you want to race in "superbike" build a 1000cc bike. Or, at least get close...Jeeez}
Seems to me that some of the anti-Buell racing folks have a very antagonistic view towards Buell motorcycles when it comes to racing. Do you not see why? Really? Maybe I need to drink the cool-aid more. Then it will make sense to me. Bikes are what they are, regardless of make/model. I like many bikes (have I stated this before) so I have an open mind. You wear Buell Goggles and like many feel strongly about the brand they ride. It is what it is…Plain and simple. }
Your Buell broke on the track. So sorry for you. It was obviously quite traumatic for you. I never said it broke on the track, your putting words in my mouth and twisting them again... please try and keep with the facts here. I am.
I've put over 1000 miles on the track including in actual races on my Buell. I'll continue to do so. If it breaks, I'll repair it. Wow that is great, how did you do on your Buell in an actual race? You won I bet! Yes it WILL break, that is what they do on the track or street when driven hard. They have weak bottom ends. It is there trait from HD. But good luck anyways! They are still fun bikes, to a point}
Anyone who's ever raced a motorcycle for any length of time has experienced mechanical failures on the track. Yes they break and I accept that, I am no stranger to broken bikes and fixing them. But I do not want to do it every time I am there. That is the difference.
Your attitude reminds me a little of the Honda CBR600RR owner I met at the track one weekend; his Honda kept belching boiling hot coolant all over his right leg after just a few laps on a hot Texas Summer afternoon. He was kinda like you; he saw me racking up lap after lap, session after session, on the Buell while he was trying repeatedly yet unsuccessfully to resolve his boiling hot puking coolant problem; he exclaimed with much frustration as he looked over at the Buell, I'm going to get an air-cooled bike too, this thing SUCKS!
I don't see your point here, How was he like me? Was this a dream you had of me or something? You’re stretching it a bit on this one. Like I said my bike DID NOT break ON the track, please get the facts correct before you make judgment. I have made it through all my track days but one and I do not get frustrated there. IF there was a problem, I would fix the problem and move on. My bikes always ran very well while there. (Knock on wood) The one I missed was due to my BUELL dying a few weeks before the first track day this year. I decided it was time for a new bike and seeing I run at Loudon which is a small technical track where 600's USUALLY run better lap times over the liter bikes this was how I based MY decision on which bike to get. I like to ring a bikes neck, would I have been better off getting a 1000 and staying in 1st.-2nd. Gear on the street or local track? It is my option which bike I would like to buy; I tried MANY bikes before making a decision. I have always had good luck with the Honda's reliability and the bike was very easy to go fast on. The bike is still faster than I am so I am happy with it. Maybe I will get the “Poser” bike next time. Become the ultimate throttle jockey}
I didn't chastise him or rub it in. I just said that I sure enjoyed riding it.
That was really cool of you, NOT! Shows the type of person you are right there. I would have helped him instead of watching him, he might not have been that mechanically inclined and it could have been something very simple to fix and get him going. Bad thermostat or something obvious like that. The fact you just sat and watched him fight his bike all day speaks for itself. But hey that is just me. I have given up a few sessions of track time to help others. I’ve helped more than my share with the NEBO guys that is for sure. }
So despite your irrational protestations, my Buell does just fine at the track and many, many others do as well. When did I ever bring up YOUR Buell? Back to putting words in my mouth. You keep trying to grab for something here, it shows. But I wish you luck while on the track and I hope you don’t break down…It sucks…LOL}
Again, sorry for your bad luck, but your miserable characterization of Buell motorcycles wrt the race track is more indicative of some queer pent-up hostility than reality. It's not the type negativity we appreciate here on a Buell enthusiasts' discussion forum. I have no bad luck or a miserable characterization of Buell, this is you trying to twist words here as you usually do. You’re known for it and it and this just proves it. Unfortunate you are like that, but hey maybe you have some queer pent up hostility when people disagree with you. Blake’s way or the high way.
When people email you, which many have on this board they are lucky if they even get a response. Why is that? You are too good to speak to them or do you just not care about what they have to say?...}
Darn sucky, slow, and heavy Buell racebikes always blowing up...
There are a lot more if you are interested. Kinda blows the slow and heavy theory to bits though, so you might not want to read it.
you had to dig up 8 years of racing to prove they are competitive? Go dig up 8 years of the same for the other manufacturer’s and let them be viewed side by side. Then a REAL opinion can be made. This is you doing nothing more than fluffing up your oh so precious Buell’s, which is expected. It is a Buell Forum after all…}
Like I have said before, I like a lot of different bikes, Sorry I am not stuck on one brand. You can try and reword my posts to make it seem like I hate them but bottom line is I do not! I do like them, even if they are “heavy and slow”. It is what makes them a Buell.
Did the nuclear bomb of pontification just detonate? It can be a real burden having to always be right about everything. Ask me how I know.
Eric, when it comes to racing, I don't agree with much if any of your views. But I started racing under CCS rules, where any and all configurations of machine are allowed to compete head-to-head with different displacement limits adjusted for optimum parity on the track.
Your preference for identical displacement has been tried. It didn't work well in America. And why anyone would want Buell to produce yet another version of an IL4 600cc repli-racer defies the imagination.
Flexibility in displacement limits for different configurations of engines is a common way to organize a more interesting and more popular racing series.
It's good enough for MotoGP where at one time 500cc machines competed against a new crop of 1000cc bikes. It is/was good enough for AMA Superbike, AMA Thunderbike, AMA Formula Xtreme, and now AMA Daytona Sportbike. It's been good enough for WSBK. It was good enough for Formula 1 racing as well.
The AMA Supersport series remains limited strictly to 600cc machines. It doesn't get much television coverage, and the racing is usually pretty lame compared to Daytona Sportbike. The racing anywhere is pretty lame in comparison to Daytona Sportbike. The formula there has been an incredible success, with more race winners and more racers vying for the win than ever before.
What we do agree on is as you said:
"My Buell is the funnest street bike to date and I will get another one."
A'men to that!
It really is strange how some racing fans get stuck on engine displacement as the be-all-end-all standard for engine performance. The Japan Inc kool-aid drinkers sure buy into it. I guess if I had me a nice set of Repsol leathers I might feel the same.
Nah.
They are cool leathers though. You see them and for a second you think, DANG that Danny Pedrosa has been hitting the buffet!
Tractor Bikes Rule! (on the street)
"My Buell is the funnest street bike to date and I will get another one."
Sorry for the repeat; I just really like that statement. Way to go. You are a true Buell Enthusiast. Sorry I was wrong about you.
On the farm lived a chicken and a horse, both of whom loved to play together.
One day the two were playing, when the horse fell into a bog and began to sink. Scared for his life, the horse whinnied for the chicken to go get the farmer for help!
Off the chicken ran, back to the farm. Arriving at the farm, he searched and searched for the farmer, but to no avail, for he had gone to town with the only tractor.
Running around, the chicken spied the farmer's new Harley.
Finding the keys in the ignition, the chicken sped off with a length of rope hoping he still had time to save his friend's life.
Back at the bog, the horse was surprised, but happy, to see the chicken arrive on the shiny Harley, and he managed to get a hold of the loop of rope the chicken tossed to him.
After tying the other end to the rear bumper of the farmer's bike, the chicken then drove slowly forward and, with the aid of the powerful bike, rescued the horse!
Happy and proud, the chicken rode the Harley back to the farmhouse, and the farmer was none the wiser when he returned.
The friendship between the two animals was cemented: Best Buddies, Best Pals.
A few weeks later, the chicken fell into a mud pit, and soon, he too, began to sink and cried out to the horse to save his life!
The horse thought a moment, walked over, and straddled the large puddle.
Looking underneath, he told the chicken to grab his junk and he would then lift him out of the pit.
The chicken got a good grip, and the horse pulled him up and out, saving his life.
The moral of the story?? (yep, you betcha, there is a moral!) 'When You're Hung Like A Horse, You Don't Need A Harley To Pick Up Chicks!
ugh, too many words. formula extreme(ly gay), super tractor, bike gaytona, and all various other things that are too specific for my general taste.
and blake, MY one thing to say is if there was a competitive american il4 (insert displacement) motorcycle, people would buy them. competitive being the key word. price, reliability, performance, yadda, yadda, yadda. i'm pretty sure he won't respond...
>>>if there was a competitive American il4 (insert displacement) motorcycle, people would buy them.
At what price point? At $10K versus the Japanese price point of $8K? How many people would buy them at $10K, the price needed for Buell to earn a profit on them?
Concerning the Japanese 600cc repli-racers, they are loss leaders. Why would Buell, a small company of 200 people want to get into the business of building bikes for a loss?
Why would Buell want to try to break into a market where the competition is strongest and has refined their products ad infinitum over decades to the point where they are now scrounging for mere ounces of material to reduce mass and a paltry few additional HP?
Why would Buell invest its valuable resources (people) in trying to compete in an already fiercely contested market by offering the very same type of machine as the competition?
Even if Buell did decide to try to tackle Goliath on Goliath's turf and according to Goliath's terms, the odds are less than slim that Buell, a company of 200 people with no engine development group of its own, could come up with a brand new 600cc IL4 that would be competitive with the Japanese in performance let alone cost. The cost alone kills the idea.
As noted above, the Japanese 600cc repli-racers are loss leaders, products built to aid their dealerships (dealerships earn profit selling them) and marketing strategy but not earn the factory any profit. Why would Buell want to compete in that market? Why would they want to invest their rare and valuable resources (engineers and designers) in such an endeavor?
The sad fact is that the Japanese have solidly cornered the market on the 600cc IL4 repli-racer where their (unfortunately) successful marketing strategy has been to own or bully various racing series while excluding any other competition.
Some racing fans have (unfortunately) succumbed to their propaganda that displacement is the be-all-end-all measure by which relative motorcycle performance must be compared. It is nothing but a marketing ploy, unfortunately a very successful one.
Where there is a niche to be filled in the market is with a different engine and a different approach. Look for Buell to grab more and more market with that approach. Look for other of their competition to eagerly join them.
Would you please remember to capitalize the abbreviated name of our country, America?
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There you go again, making stuff up. Try sticking to factual debate for a change. 
