| Author | Message | ||
     Nutsosane |
Charlie, I am worried. I just don't think my dealer is terribly interested in diagnosing a "complaint" under warranty. I heard tell a story of a sales associate paying $300 for a set of tires to be mounted. That did NOT include tire price!!! Maybe I'll find another dealer who has already dealt with these issues and will be able to fix mine in short order. Jason Jackie, I picked you up a little gift today for bailing. Stop by and you can have it. NUTS | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
Jason, It may take rocket science for them to come up with cure(dealership), but if you will just retard your timing you can get rid of the problem. Then if they ever get a service bulletin from "Buell", you can restore the timing and get the cure. You are doing damage that is going to come out of your pocket if you don't do something about it. Just take the cover off and mark where your timing is with a sharpie, then back it off about three clicks(marks) Take out on the road and try it.If it takes a little more to get rid of it,move it again,just keep track of where you are(write it down)It's real easy..........Charlie | ||
| Tank_bueller |
 Pinging is not good for any part of the motor! If it's pinging, it's doing damage. I would start with 2 "marks", though. You may notice a loss of "grunt" with the sacrifice of the timing, but not alot. I have not done it, but I read a nice(step by step) write-up in the KV somewhere. Sounds pretty easy if you have ever adjusted the distributor on a fussy 350. Tank | ||
| Nutsosane |
Fella's I am seriously worried now. Question: Is pinging progressive by nature? As the motor heats up will the ping be more pronounced? I'll be needing to set some time aside to play with the timing. Meanwhile I need to get out and ride another Uly to see if that one has any similar issues (Seth, you gettin this?). I'd like to see if RVHD will agree to attempt a diagnosis under warranty. That way I can ask them to check for an intake leak (others have reported this) and check the timing. If they can find no leak and their timing change is ineffective I'll be drilling out a set of rivets. Hey, what's the winter for! NUTS | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
Nuts, This is a 30 min. job, not a winter project.Get it done and talk about it later.I'll shut-up now...........Charlie | ||
| Nutsosane |
Charlie, is it worth giving RVHD a shot a fixing or just trying myself. I have Jackie (who is familiar with the workings of the XL motor)for help as well as targeted be-littling. Could there be any of this "intake leak" problem occurring as well? NUTS | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
Nuts, I would be really surprised if you had an intake leak. For one it has a different set of symptoms. If you retard your timing and get rid of the ping, the other symptoms would still be there. The only thing you could possible hurt by retarding your timing is performance and your already hurting that with all the pinging(not to mention the damage)Your optimum power is before the ping starts.Also you have no EPA restraints, Im not sure what the dealership has to comply to.......Charlie PS I would go with my suggestion in the PM I sent you or Jackie ( since you thrive on belittlement anyway) | ||
| Ulywife |
Nuts - Carlos' (M2nc) Uly did some pinging in the beginning. On the 1000 mile service, they re-timed the bike and it's been great since. He says that even in the extreme NC summer heat the Uly didn't ping. Luckily enough we have a pretty good dealer with a great service writer and one mechanic that is good with the Buells. Good luck on getting this resolved. | ||
| The_raven |
Ulywife; How many miles are on the Carlos' Uly now? I have 11,000 miles on mine and my "pinging" did not really start until about 8,000 miles. However, my pinging is not nearly as severe as Nuts'. Jason; I should be done with my gas log installation by saturday. So a long Sunday ride should be doable (spelling?) if you are up for it. I have not changed my airbox yet, so we could compare oem to oem between our ulys. Seth | ||
| Ulywife |
Seth - he's currently sitting around 14,000 give or take. I know that Carlos uses only premium gas. I'll get him to give you more technical detail tonight when he gets home. Find a good dealer close or come on down to NC! | ||
| Jlnance |
 I caught up with Carlos I passed 14,000 last night. No pinging. I usually run premium, but it doesn't ping with 89 octane either. | ||
| Luvthemtorts |
Oh brother, Nuts must be feeling down today! Don't worry about the bike right now my friend. Tomorrow we get to sight in and try to bag some meat with your new .17 and then deer season in less than 48 hours. Once we have meat in the freezer we can easily remedy your problem. It is really quite simple. Drill out the rivet heads that hold on the outer cover, unscrew and remove the inner cover, loosen the plate studs and turn ever so slightly (mark starting point first), put it back together and give it a test ride. I figure we will start with 2 degrees unless Charlie thinks we should start with a bit more. Whole thing should take no more than 45 minutes not including the test ride time. Go ahead and order the timing cover screw kit so we don't have to worry about rivets should we have to make a few adjustments to find the sweet spot. | ||
| M2nc |
Sorry Jim, Kristi is off by 1500+ miles. The Uly is between 15,500 and 16,000 miles. Of course being grounded you will probably catch me soon. The bike did ping during the first 1,000 miles. The idle was also too low. I took it to my dealer for the first service and told the dealer to check the timing because the bike pinged and the idle was below 1000rpm. When I picked up the bike it ran great. It had more power, the idle was up to spec, and the ping was gone. Even in 102°F temps the bike does not ping. I normally run premium but have a few times put 89 Octane in the bike if 93 is not available. The dealer told me that the timing was off from the factory. They reset the timing, reset the TPS (apparently something that is part of the 1000 miles service for them) and reset the idle. I see that a few on Badweb are finally talking about retarding the timing to eliminate the ping. I do not understated why it has taken so long for some to get to this point. Since I was old enough to drive I have played with the timing of the cars I drove. Advance the timing to the point the motor pings and back off two degrees. A few old Dodges I could get as much as 15° degrees advance in timing before denotation and drop as much as 1 sec off the quarter mile times with that and opening up the intake. I hope you guys are able to get your bikes straightened out. They are too much fun to be aggravated with this ping issue. Good Luck. | ||
| Nutsosane |
Seth, sounds good. give me a ring Sunday when you're available. The bikes timing will be adjusted...just as soon as I get some venison in the freezer. Thanks for all the helpful input. NUTS Jackie, it's gonna be a cold one tomorrow. Bundle up buddy! | ||
| The_raven |
Jason, I will call you about 1:00 on Sunday. I would like to get in about 175-200 miles. Possibly head South on Route 42 to Burkes Garden? Seth | ||
| Luvthemtorts |
Oh, I see how its' gotta be. Poor ole' Jackie doesn't get invited to go. You two know how much I love to ride when it is cold out. Thats alright. Ya'll have fun and be safe while I am left sitting in a nice warm house. | ||
| Nutsosane |
(The Raven) Seth has a story. C'mon tell everyone the tale. Jackie, I hate to do it but I'm gonna have to go hunting tomorrow. I'll be in the woods until I have to haul some carcass to the meat plant. Wanna go? NUTS | ||
| Luvthemtorts |
As you know I got my carcass Saturday but am itching to add to my stockpile of hormone free protein that resides in my freezer. See you at 4:45 sucka. | ||
| The_raven |
It was a brisk fall afternoon, in early November. Everything was perfect, and Ulysses and I were feeling good. The trail was dry. The trail was smooth; and man the trail was fast. Ulysses and I had gotten into a smooth rhythm, and we were starting to reel in the first place rider Jimmy Lewis on his BMW HP2. I would like to take a brief break from my story to give a relevant lesson in Theoretical Physics. During my many, many years(zero) of off road racing, I have learned that the their is a direct, proportionate relationship between speed and control. The faster you ride, the faster you go. Bear with me, this is deep. Now, as you continue to ride faster you begin to approach the line that differentiates control and out of control. The closer one gets to that line the harder it becomes to control the bike. The rider not only has reduced control but typically the ride becomes rough and unpleasant. I like to call this the "Transtability Zone". During the "Transtability Zone" certain aspects of the vehicle are traveling at a velocity that is beyond its capabilities given the conditions. Likewise certain aspects are still within their capabilities (e.g. tires are being pushed beyond their limits, but the suspension is still within its limits). Should the rider feel overconfident and continue to ride faster then he will reach the "Stability Barrier". A funny thing occurs when you arrive at the "Stability Barrier" it seems as if things actually begin to smoothen out. It is at this point that the rider must make an immediate and critical decision to reduce velocity back to "Substability" or continue through the barrier into the "Superstability Zone" When in this zone, everything is smooth, and everything seems to be in control. At these speeds a rider will be faster and in more control than a rider that is riding at a maximum "in control speed". However, there is zero tolerance for any type of error, or miscalculation. If you can continue to ride at "Superstability" speeds error free, and with 100% total confidence then you will be unbeatable (if in racing conditions) but you must also be willing to accept the consequences for pushing the Laws of Physics. Now back to my story: As I was saying, Ulysses and I were feeling great and we were into a smooth fast rhythm. As I continued down the road I continued to increase my speed (entering "Transtability Zone"). For a brief minute I thought better of increasing my speed any further and as a result I unknowingly continued to ride in the "T-Zone". Now, as I mentioned earlier, riding in this zone tends to be rough and unpleasant. This was not the case with the road we were on. I have ridden this wildlife road in the past and typically it is not as smooth and fast as it was on Sunday. Because of this, it was not unpleasant to be riding in the "T-Zone". I should have known better. So there Ulysses and I were bombing down the road in second gear, speed ranging between 50-65kmh(kilometers sound faster). I round a left hander, throttle so that the back end steps out slightly in the dirt, straighten out and accelerate briskly down the short straight (60kmh). Rolling out of the throttle, because of the dirt and gravel I do an early turn in for a right hander anticipating the bike to "float" on top of the gravel through the corner. I am looking through the corner and so did not notice the small pothole/mudpuddle that was covered over by leaves until I was right on it. Reluctantly I straighten the bike, goose the throttle to lighten the front end, unfortunately impact with the hole caused my right hand to slip on the throttle. Indeed having 103hp off road is not always the best thing. The bike immediately shot forward into right hander that I had initially started to turn in early for. At this point I knew I was in a predicament. I regained control of the throttle and begin to pick my impact zone, I knew I was going into the leaf filled ditch which looked soft, but I did not want to go into the "soft ditch" at 60kmh. So I did what I did not want to do but was left with no other choice, I stood on the air. God did not intend for 17" front wheels and 180mm rear tires to be ridden off road in such a manner. The bike went out from underneath of me incredibly quick, no time to brace for impact, which is a good thing. I estimate that I reduced my speed to 50kmh in the brief period where the front tire was locked down. I cannot say enough good for wearing an armored jacket. I did not have armored pants on and will definitely be investing on a pair of those soon. Damage to me was minimal, a small strawberry on my left knee, and small knot on my right thigh. Unfortunately I cannot say the same for my beloved Ulysses. If I fix everything that received damage I am looking at $2300-$2500 including labor. That is because of the small dent I placed on the left side of the frame. But I will not be replacing the frame, at least any time soon. So I am going to get away with $75 to eliminate all evidence of the crash. Of course the dent will still be there, but cleverly hidden under the frame puck. As I have spent the last 20 hours pondering the crash I continue to analyze every detail over and over again. And the same question arises each time, Had I been riding in the "Superstability Zone" would I have had the same results? Or, because of my unrealized overconfidence was I already riding in the "Superstability Zone". I would like to think not. And I will not bore you with another thesis on how I could extrapolate every detail that occurred prior to and during the crash. That is my story. Seth | ||
| The_raven |
Jason; If you are able to, tomorrow run by the shop with your Uly, and Keith will hook it up to the Digital Tech and check your settings (AFV, TPS, etc...) I know that you are able to check tps with jackie, but we can check a few other settings with the DT. Best part is No Cost to You! | ||
| The_raven |
Jason; Our 2006 12Ss is finally on the showroom floor. I rode it on Friday and it was running horribly. Keith had it fixed in five minutes. Hopefully the same will hold true for your Uly. Seth | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
Seth, Sorry to hear about your crash(nice story though). Glad you didn't do more damage to yourself and bike. Riding fast on fire trails is for real dirt bikes(I guess you figured that out) and crashes tend to be alot cheaper.Anyway glad your OK. Did you ever get your dad's bike fixed? Would like to know what you found........Charlie | ||
| Nutsosane |
Seth, great tale! Any way the offer can be extended to Thursday? I'm coming off a 30 hour stretch of sleep deprivation and you boys are off Wednesday. I still have those mementos in my saddle bag if you want them. I would seriously consider claiming the Uly on insurance. Due to your unique situation I believe you could come out nearly even on a brand new one. Or possibly buy the old one back and get a salvaged title. Take the extra dough and set up a nice dual sport. Resale with a dented frame on a Buell is really bad; like you didn't know that already. See what insurance says at least. NUTS | ||
| Nutsosane |
Jackie, 2 nights no call brother. I think I'll be heading into the woods Thursday. Probably do an early afternoon arrival and then start looking for some game. I can hunt Tuesday morning instead of Monday next week due to that class I have to attend. Maybe that'll make us the only boobs in the forest. "Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right here I am stuck in the middle with NUTS" | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
Nuts, Did you and Jackie(AKA: Boone& Crockett) get the timing retarded on the Ugly? After harassing you for weeks, you could at least let me know the out come. Let's keep the old guy in the loop(it's lonely down here)Even my "gator" has left since I quit splitting my chicken biscuit with him....Charlie | ||
| The_raven |
Charlie, I rode dad's S3 home last night and checked all of gaskets/fittings from where we put on the air cleaner. I brought it to the shop today and I am going to hook it up to the digital technician. If everything looks normal than I don't know what we are going to do. Maybe just put it back to stock. Seth | ||
| Nutsosane |
Charlie, sorry for not keeping you in the loop. The bike has sat in the basement awaiting completion of the grip heaters all week. Seth extended an offer to have Keith take a look at it. I'll be taking them up on the offer asap. NUTS | ||
| The_raven |
THIS JUST IN!!! 2007.5 Buell XB12STT. Buells new Supermotard. More info to come on Monday 11/13. We receive our Pre-Press release today through the fax. We will get our Promo Kit Monday Morning. Seth | ||
| Luvthemtorts |
Oh gracious! Seth, Expect a tall, lanky fellow to be knockin' on your door when the first one shows up. He will be wanting to trade in a gently used 06' Uly complete with hard bags. If possible try to give him a good deal since he is ill. He suffers from a very serious case of Igottahaveititis. Denial could send him into fits of madness man and cause him to lose control of himself!!! The last thing you want at RVHD is this guy rolling around on the floor kicking, crying and wetting himself  . I spent the day cleaning the ole' Firebolt in every possible nook and cranny. I saved the ugly white rims until last. Guess I will invest the 47 hours to clean them properly this weekend. Whoever thought white was a good choice of colors for rims should be hung from his mansack. Until they make brake pads that a leave white residue I will continue to rant about it! | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
Seth, There has to be a reason for it.If the backing plate is identical and not covering anything up and the sensor is in a good position it has to work. There has to be something real simple that is getting over looked,you will find it,just keep looking....Charlie |
