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Ingemar
Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 05:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Searched high and low for this.

A dyno of an xb9 with FAST system, good pipe like a Drummer and race ecm/TFI/PC3.

I simply can't believe the Hillbilly dyno's with the Jardine pipe getting over 90 hp.

Geez there's guys out there with a 1050+stage 3 heads hardly get in the mid 90's.

Take a drummer dyno and add 6hp on top and you come nowhere near the 90+ from Hillbilly.

Any thoughts?
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Glitch
Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 08:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Any thoughts?
All dynos are different.
I try to look at the curve more than the numbers.
Nice flat torque curve = nice power delivery.
I take it you've seen this already.
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Oconnor
Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 11:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And this:
http://www.locost7.info/converter.php
Hillbilly is posting in Ps. Everyone else posts in Hp.
Its not a huge drop in number but it may help.
Hey glitch how did you get your link in the word "this"?
Thanks
The computer unsavy jarhead.
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Ingemar
Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 12:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Glitch, yes those are the dyno's I'm referring to.

I can't believe this:


OConnor, Yeah, I am aware of the PS/HP. Thanx for the link though 'cos I am constantly looking for something like that. Very useful to have all that on one page.

94.7PS is still 93.4HP. Way too optimistic for an XB9 if you ask me, and that's why I'm asking for other dyno's. Now if they ALL look like that, I KNOW WHAT I'M GETTING NEXT!!
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Ingemar
Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 12:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

... how did you get your link in the word "this"?

use \ link { the_url , link description }

Remove all the spaces from the above example.

Look here for more info on using tags.
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Oconnor
Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 12:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks, I think I will stick to This
Let you guys work your magic. That page started to give me a headache.
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 01:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ingemar, what you need to do is compare each of the charts Hillbilly has listed. If you notice on their Dyno the stock XB9 is making 84.3PS so they are showing a 10PS difference from stock, which IS feasable with a good exhaust and intake combo. Notice below that there is a 6PS increase in just using the FAST system from their stock bike run.

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M1combat
Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 02:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, not to make anyone mad... I would also assume that they took a low dyno from the stock bike and a high dyno everywhere else. That's fine by me, I would just expect about 3-4 less HP than they advertise. If I got the full amount, I'd just be pleasantly surprised is all.

Whether they do that or not... The dyno that comes out with the curve you want (as long as you don't sacrifice too much anywhere) is the one to get. I agree that the Jardine/FAST combo does indeed look good. I would really like to see D&D and Drummer dyno's done by hillbilly on the same dyno so I could compare those curves. I think you would find you lose a couple at the top with the drummer but have a good deal more down low. IMO, better street pipe will have the power down low. I have no interest in killing my engine by trying to keep it on the pipe all the time... I'll get a pipe that is "on the bike" the way I ride it. I think that's the Drummer.
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Tucsonxb9s
Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 03:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

M1...don't forget your looking at dynos for a 9. I think the 12's stock set up breathes a lot better than the 9's and so it's been easier to see bigger gains for the 9. We'll see how the ole butt dyno does for me tomorrow. (Getting the Jardine installed today!)
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M1combat
Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 04:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Understood... I don't mean to call into question anyones reputation or anything, but if it's possible, I will assume they do it and if they don't, I'll be pleasantly surprised : ).

Good luck with the Jardine : ). I'll have to ride down there and hear it at some point.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 05:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They didn't run to redline (7,500 rpm).
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Dscak
Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 05:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

M1, Have a 04 XB12S. With a race ECM, K&N Filter and Drummer, I got essentially the same numbers on the Dyno both in HP and Torque as with the Race ECM, Drummer and FAST intake. I am referring to both the curves and to the top end numbers. With either I have no hole in the torque curve in midrange, but slight losses as compared to stock configuration in HP on top end. Note this is on a 12, with approx 4700 miles on the clock. Dan
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Jocke
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 06:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There is a free convert-software that I use. You can pick it up at http://www.joshmadison.com/software/convert/
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Ingemar
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 01:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So do we agree then that a xb9 with a good pipe, race ecm and FAST intake system is able to make in the 90's?

I really find that hard to believe. A Nallin 1050 kit with stage 3 heads typically makes 93-95hp.

Anyway, I'll probably get the FAST setup next year after the holiday season. It's cheap for the power it makes, even it's a "mere" 4 hp. But 6 would be really cool though ...
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Glitch
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 01:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dscak, the Drummer may be holding you back. I know of a few XB12s that have either lost HP and torque or saw no gains at all. This has only been seen on the XB12s.
Ingemar, 90HP is my goal for my bike. Been thinking of the most simple way to get there.
So do we agree then that a xb9...
In reality, I don't think an ECM, a pipe and intake mod will give 90HP at the rear wheel. If that was the case all of us would have 90HP and NRHS would go out of business.
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Dscak
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 05:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Glitch, I have been considering that perhaps the pipe could be the culprit as well. May try another pipe this winter (can't ride, too much snow & ice) and see what results I get. Any info on others with 12's that have used other pipes with better results?
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Naughtynurse
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 06:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dscak I have had the Drummer on my 12 and it did improve it.It seemed to wind up quicker.I then got bored and wanted more noise so I went out and got a D&D and it barks.My butt dyno says it kicks the Drummers arse.I haven't been on a dyno with it yet but I can tell ya it rocks.
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BadS1
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 06:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oooops the wife logged on to my desk top again.Sorry!!!
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Daves
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 06:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We have a dyno!
Actually, we have 2 of them.

Bring your bike up!
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BadS1
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 06:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dave maybe when I buy the new Honda Element in a couple weeks I'll throw it i the back and take you up on that.Whats it gonna cost me to run it???
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Daves
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 07:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Depends on what time of day we do it!

Dave
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BadS1
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 07:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

AHHHH!!! I gotcha there.Email me with some details???
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Daves
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 07:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just need to make sure Terry can stay late and play with us. His wife and family live in Mn so he's in the same boat as me.
He knows a thing or two about making bikes run! He has worked for Tilley's and HMC.
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BadS1
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 07:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh yeah!!!
Let me know cause it'll be a ROAD TRIP!!!!Maybe I'll get Dyna or Griz to come along for the ride.Bring ya some Diet Pepsi or something.
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Bigdaddy


Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey BadS1, Just in case you ever need to know this :-)

Bounced the front of my Element off the back of a very large Chrysler Newport, circa 1970, and the Element lost. Christmas Eve, going to work, not paying attention, listening to some serious Muddy Waters on my XM and BAM.

Stopped by the local Honda dealer and picked up a new front bumper (the great big plastic bra thing.) I got one with a very small scratch in it for $100.00. Installation was a snap, no, literally a snap, 4 bolts, 2 screws, about 500 two-piece 'clips.' Total replacement time was 1 hour.
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