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Jrr
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 02:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anyone use an oil additive to quiet the ticking, or should i just get used to the ticking noise?
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420at145mph
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i used lucas
seemed to quite it down quite a bit
just dont use too much or u get what they call stickation
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Jrr
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 03:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

thanks, i will try the lucas. Bike is still new (300 miles) just don't like the tick.
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420at145mph
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 03:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

anoying as hell isnt it
damn vtwins
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Jrr
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yeah, i thought something was wrong with the bike when i first started it.
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Fullpower
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 04:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i have never been a snake oil fan, but i am trying to stay open- minded. so whats with lucas? what's it do? does it thin the oil? any other effects?
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420at145mph
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 04:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

dunno for sure
i heard about it from my ex's dad he builds and races drag cars n has used it for years
goto the local napa store n see if they got a display
its 2 little setups with gears in it 1 side regular oil the other has lucas added
the side with out it when u turn the gears the oils moves with the gears but the side with lucas the oil actually sticks to the gears and makes it run alot smoother
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Xbvictor
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 04:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How much lucas oil did you use in your bike 420?
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Bads1
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 05:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have one better.Get a big bowl fill it with extra creamy peanut butter,Skippy works best but Jiff is OK but not chunky.About 6 large jars will do add about ohhhhh 1/2 bottle of peanut oil,or corn oil if thats all you have stir until whipped.Presto!!!! this will cure any knocking,ticking,or any noises that are most likely common to have on a American V-Twin.LOL
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420at145mph
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 05:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

it calls for an 80/20 mix
thats what i used
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Dcmortalcoil
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 05:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Before, anyone put any additive, read this article:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/images/lucas/lucas.htm

We can easily quieten engine noise, by thickening or foaming the oil. Remember the days when used car people added saw dust to the engine oil to hide engine noise?

Good oil doesn't need any additive. That's what I keep reading over and over.
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Bomber
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 05:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Remember PT Branum's quote, gents . . . .

lot's of snake oil out there . . .. .

to quote an engine designer of my acquaintance, "if we coul dput somthing in these things that would extend their lives, make em run quieter/smoother/longer and make more power, don't you think we'd do it?"

this, form a guy that designs engines for very expensive capital equipment type long return on investment type stuff . . . .

course, if it makes ya feel better . . .. go ahead on
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 06:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Lucas came about back when the quality of oil wasn't what it is now. I personally wouldn't use Lucas with a synthetic oil, if my engine had less then 50k miles on it, or unless the engine had a known oil issue like leaks or bad consumption. Lucas is great for fleet vehicles where you can't be certain how the vehicle will be treated by the driver, but for home use, well as I stated, I wouldn't use it unless the above was true, and I couldn't get a decent oil, or my oil consumption was such that it was cheaper to add the Lucas and use a cheap oil. Then its a case of how soon can I get the oil consumption fixed.

edited by wyckedflesh on July 01, 2004
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Skully
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 06:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Based on research that I've done, I highly recommend against adding any additives to modern oils. Today's oils have additives that are designed to work as a package and anything added after the fact can actually cause more harm than good.

Keith
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Daves
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 06:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So, I should stop putting Koolaid in mine?
But it adds 4 HP!

Dave
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Prof_stack
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 07:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey, I've got an OLD can of STP you can have. Come and get it! : ]
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Brucelee
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 08:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The old time car dealers used to use Lucas to deal with an engine that was going to tank within 500 miles.

Why would you use it in a Buell?

It is a twin, they are noisy.

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984_cc
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 08:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't think they are noisy simply because they are twins. In this particular engine, it's just the inherent nature of the beast. It would be nice if it was quieter though (mechanical bits).
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Jrr
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 09:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sounds like i won't be using any oil additives. Thanks for the input...
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420at145mph
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 09:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i used it
it DID quite it
so nya
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Brucelee
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 10:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"used it
it DID quite it
so nya"

Brilliant logic as always!
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420at145mph
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 10:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

thank you i concur
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Socoken
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 10:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i understand the logic in not mixing with, or tampering with, or contaminating your oil with a substance it was designed for. i understand that XLs especially make a lot of noise, and other makes of bikes are worse yet, but most of it is not detrimental to engine health/performance.

but ticking and rattling are sounds of metal parts making contact, right? from the cams moving in the bearings as each one goes under load while creating lift and then frees up when closing. or from the slack in the drive gears? or from the lifters? so if you quiet that noise, by reducing the contact, wouldnt that also be better for the parts involved?

just talking out my
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 10:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You can put 150 wt gear oil into your crankcase too and it will quite your engine. But it would be very damaging to do so. It is likely that Lucas stuff will also have detrimental effects. Your valvetrain may quite while your cylinders and rings are falling apart.
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Socoken
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 10:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

so there is a line that you cannot cross, where too heavy, and you starve the top end, and too light, and things rattle and get hot, and the oil breaks down. i would imagine that line varies from the condition of the machine its being used it, and from the average temp in which it is run.

i guess what it comes down to, it how hard it is to suppress a rattle or a tick. cant you trust that if you only decrease noise slightly that you havent gone too heavy? or can you make a big difference in noise, and still be light enough?

in any case, all these bikes make a racket, yet MOST of them remain healthy in spite of it. the point im trying to make, more to myself than anyone i guess, it that why risk it? why fix what isnt broken?
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R1DynaSquid
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 11:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

With the Buell V-twins..so long as they are making a racket dont worry..all is normal.

Its when they suddenly become quiet that you have to worry.
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 11:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well said.
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Opto
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 08:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you want it to sound like like a sewing machine, simply buy a jap bike.
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Glitch
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 08:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I want my oil to flow.
After all, the oil in these bike are helping cool things off.
Try to take a look at what all is going on in a Buell engine. Then notice how exposed the engine is.
Now notice that on the XBs there is no gas tank above the heads to quieten the sound. More like the air box and the frame are putting the sound "in your face".
Now look at a water cooled I4.
Gas tank above the heads.
Water jacket helps deaden the noise quite a bit also.
The stroke is shorter and no push rods.
Two different animals, even though they have the same job.
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Leeaw
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 08:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The cheapest way to reduce engine noise and hearing loss is a pair of foam ear plugs. That is what I did after having problems with my M2. I stopped worrying, and problems stopped happening.

As long as it screams when you wack the throttle, it's fine.
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Grancan1
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 09:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well said Leeaw. It is the nature of the beast. If you think the Buell is bad you should have pulled up next to my Ducati. It sounded as if it was about to come apart.
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Davefl
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 09:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yea I concur that a Duc makes more noise. A friend of mine had a 748 and every time I pulled up beside him I thought something was falling off of my bike until I realized it was the Duc.
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Brucelee
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 10:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Its when they suddenly become quiet that you have to worry"

Well said!
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Jrr
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 11:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sound like normal engine noise, that is good to hear. Now that i know that i will not worry about it and enjoy the ride!
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Fullpower
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 01:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

worry not, enjoy the ride. and wear ear plugs. have a damn nice weekend.
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Skully
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 01:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Get a louder exhaust!



Keith
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Starter
Posted on Sunday, July 04, 2004 - 06:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don't worry about the noise too much - just get a mate to ride behind so he can collect all the bits that vibrate off.
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