| Author | Message | ||
     71sportster |
I am in TOTAL agreement with the last three posters, yet it seems to be only ME who gets flamed for voicing my opinion. | ||
| Josh_ |
It's not (always) the bike  | ||
| M1combat |
FJR's are capable machines  . "OK, boot me again now, so I can come back tonight as someone else. Try an IP ban too, because I have access to dozens of PC’s." Uh Oh... I've seen this happen before  . Anyway... It's a fact that the XB isn't as powerful as a modern IL4600. They tend to carry more cornerspeed though from what I hear. Even at the upper limit of 600CC racing (FX). I haven't heard much this year but last years mid-corner speeds were higher with the XBs. | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
i was always taught that it is better to be able to out ride your bike than have it out ride you...some people are very capable rider/track day racers ....some that buy bikes arent...having worked as a paramedic years ago and at body shop for years....and now i buy and sell a few totaled bikes a year...ive seen a lot of carnage from people that have gotten on bikes repli-racers and every other type that were just too much for them....but the most and worst damage is almost always some poor sap that is riding an over powered bike with little skill....if u can ride u can ride anything well....if u cant ur 180 horse death machine wont do jack for ya....personaly i get nothing but compliments from inline 4 riders and most everybody else the real buttwads are usualy harley riders....not the old school guys they like lookin at the buell and making commnets usualy good hearted ribbing...the new breed of jackasses that watched too many american chopper episodes or too much west coast chopper crap....those guys are almost always jerks lets focus our anger there hahahaha....anyways this whole argument is kinda stupid its comparing apples to oranges....i like my orange u can have ur apple and we can ride together...its about the wind in ur face, the speed,the chix,the smell of gas and leather,the brotherhood. so can it and ride together dont worry il wait for u at the gas station if u cant keep up.....i expect u to do the same for me . | ||
| Lenb |
....if u can ride u can ride anything well....if u cant ur 180 horse death machine wont do jack for ya.... Hear hear!  It's funny listening to some riders saying "my R1 is faster than..." when they can't even come close to the limits of their machine. | ||
| Sledhead |
I just bought my first bike 2 weeks ago, and it's a Buell XB12s. This thing makes power like my modded Cummins diesel. Its always there. Do I care if its the fastest thing on 2 wheels? No. I like it though. 600cc liquid cooled IL4's and 1200cc air cooled V twins are a little bit different aren't they? Each has its strong points. This question is kinda like asking which is better, apples or oranges? Depends on who you ask. Its up to everybody to make their own decision.  | ||
| Slaughter |
I'm cheap. I have a low threshold of fear and panic. I can scare myself very well with 100 HP thank you very much. | ||
| Spike |
We've been through that already too, quite a few usernames ago. It's not your opinion that gets you flames, it's your method of bashing with outrageous claims and personal attacks that gets you flames. Stating that you like 600s better or that you can go faster on an I4 is perfectly acceptable. Stating the XB platform is unstable at 130mph and would twist up like a pretzel with 150hp is complete nonsense and will be treated as such. Changing your username and toning it down for a few posts doesn't help much, many of us still see you as the guy who makes totally baseless comments and then flames everyone else for arguing with him. Taunting the custodians for banning you and threatening to come back from other PCs only hurts your case even more. | ||
| Bikoman |
Hey, I much prefer my GSXR600 trackbike on the track, "it just works for me", but I prefer my Buell XB9R or Aprilia Falco on the street. The stupid GSXR would make me feel like a pretzel on the street and I would get sick of revving the piss out of it to go anywhere also. The XB and Falco just work on the street, grunt everywhere you need it, looks, and V2 sound! John (Message edited by bikoman on June 12, 2006) (Message edited by bikoman on June 12, 2006) | ||
| 71sportster |
Like I'm really worried about "my case"! Fact is, I can tell by reading posts here that very few are even aware of counter steering. It's no wonder Molly Hatchet gets so many wrecked bikes and EMT refer to them as, "Donner cycles". That along with the dim, who make claims that their Buell is faster than any liter bike, drive me as crazy as you brand faithful get when someone points out facts about your beloved ride. Yet it is ME that "bashes with outrageous claims"? | ||
| Spike |
I don't remember anyone stating their Buell was faster than any liter bike, only that they had on occasion outrun a liter bike. The two statements are radically different. Multiple badwebbers have outrun liter bikes on their Buells. You said that could never happen regardless of rider. Last time we had this debate you were banned, then came back under a different username to take your own side, which is where you did most of your backpedaling. Here was my response to your claim that you made valid points:
To which you responded (while still pretending to be another person):
To which I responded:
The one nice thing about you returning again and again with the same arguments is that we don't have to think through complete rebuttals. We can just cut-and-paste to the last time your claims were shot down. | ||
| M1combat |
"That along with the dim, who make claims that their Buell is faster than any liter bike" Who effing said that? Quote it or STFU. XB's ARE quicker than modern 1000's in certain situations. That is fact. Very few aware of counter steering? Please point out exactly what has been said that leads you to believe this? If you ask me... A comment like that leads me to believe that YOU have just discovered the concept of counter steering, it's still new to you (but old hat to most of us) so you feel you need to spout your infinite levels of wisdom... Sorry, but I think it's old hat to most of the people here. I think we didn't go out and buy one of the top handling production motorcycles and not understand (at least in a basic fashion) countersteering. Please... Are you 18 yet? OK... fine Blake , you were completely right on that one... I should have ignored the troll. | ||
| Lions |
"XB's ARE quicker than modern 1000's in certain situations. That is fact. " BWWWWAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAHAHAA! Oh is that a fact? See...this is what I'm talkin' about....D'ya got a liter bike,there, M1? C'mon No way...No Why...No How...Was my XB anywhere near as quick as my ZX10R. AND THAT'S A FACT!  | ||
| Skyguy |
I ride with an equally skilled rider on an R-1 every week. I can not pass him on our fast runs 85mph to 110. After 100mph his bike walks away from me on exits. It is faster period. That being said I have not had riders on a R-1 pass me in the canyons. There is real world usefulness in the XB. Oh and I am no Buell aide guy. In fact I am kinda mad at Buell right now. But to sit there and just bash the bike and the fans of the bike is just stupid. | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
wow...this just keeps going and going and going...i personaly have nothing against any kind of bike....id love to have an R-1 limited in my driveway and a apprila...and an old rd400....over the last couple of years ive fixed a lot of jap bikes and sold them....my buell just fits me better....im 42 years old i raced dirt bikes for years when i was a kid and have done my best to push the limits on whatever street bike i had at the time..someones missing the point here....ur trying to compare a mustang to a powerstroke...they fit different needs a lot of us are a little older somewhat wiser and prefer to not hunch over the tank of our bike all day or have to shift gears 10 times a second we have prob all had a rice rocket at one time or another and know that most new il4's can walk away from us with a capable rider....we like those odds when we stomp all over one of ya'll it makes it all that much more sweet hahahahah would i try to take on a gsxr1000...um noooo would i ride with someone that had one...of course...ive spent many days at a gas station or rest stop taking to jap bike riders or sport touring people....99% of the time their very cool poeple that just like to ride and have never really seen a buell up close they spend a lot of time going over my bike and sayin wow thats pretty cool i love the way it sounds and looks...u wanna bash handle bars with me ..cool lets go to the track..im a gracious looser when i have to be but if i beat ur il4 i wont spent the day telling u what a pile it is or how sweet my buell is..just like when i raced dirt bikes it wasnt about who had what or what it would do as much as it was about riding period....hell when we went riding there was my best friends maico right next to my suzuki or yamaha...i carried a husky or 2 in my truck....we rode because we loved to ride....we all knew the maico was a beast the husky could do things my bike couldnt but when it came down to it....whoever was fastest was fastest on whatever they rode....lets put valentino rossi on a buell and that other guy on valentino's bike and see who finishes first. | ||
| Spike |
Performance Bikes and their datalogging equipment disagree with you: http://a1264.g.akamai.net/7/1264/1354/61c6a5cf78fab2/www.buell.com/en_us/news_ev ents/pdf/PerformanceBikes.pdf If that link doesn't work, go to buell.com, news and events, buell in the news, then click the 4th article down. Performance Bikes gathered six bikes together including an XB12R and your ZX10R and equipped them with datalogging equipment to record the time and speed of each bike through a few different corners. The end result was that the XB was quicker than your ZX10R in 2 of the 3 corners and if you take the fastest pass from each rider on each bike for all 3 corners and total them together you find that the XB was the fastest bike through the test, beating the ZX10R by a full second. From their conclusion: "So here's the deal: if you want the scientifically measured quickest bike through corners take the Firebolt" That's not to say the Firebolt will always outrun the ZX10, far from it. However, it stands as measured evidence that the XB is quicker than the ZX10 in certain situations. | ||
| M1combat |
I'm sorry that you can't see the forrest for the trees Lions and 71... I've stated that the 1000's are quicker in some situations and the XB's are quicker in some situations. That's a fact. The tighter the pavement, the more the advantage goes to the XB. That's the way it is. It's smaller and handles better when you're working it. You can't deny that AND sound like you know what you're talking about. I've got nothing against any bike at all... (well, maybe the step through scooters, I just don't like them) but each bike has it's strengths and weaknesses (including my beloved Buell XB12R. It just so happens that my favorite road conforms to the XB strengths perfectly. 11 miles and about 250-300 turns. No, it's not the Dragon, but it's as good from what I hear. I've put about 14K miles on my 12R on that road. I've ridden with a lot of different motorcycles... Only one type has been able to consistently keep up with me. There are virtually NO straight sections of any real length. There are 240 degree corners that are marked 15MPH and drop about two stories in elevation. There are multiple sections marked 15 that are a long string of like 20 90 degree banked turns where if you have any power applied at all between turns the front is coming off the ground about mid-roll. There's a cliff on one side and a rock wall on the other for about 75% of the road. The Buell works wonders in that environment. It's my favorite place in the world . Before and after that 11 mile section... Any repli-racer will walk away (the 600's walk, the 1000's steal my lunch money and RUN). I got no problem with that at all... Why do you have a problem admitting that an XB can pass a 1000 where power doesn't matter? And people say I drink too much Kuell-Aid... | ||
| 71sportster |
Yeah, and just last week there was a guy who posted he blew off a Busa! Give me a friggin’ break! Spike, M1, It couldn't be more obvious that you guys and those like you, have entirely too much time on your hands and this is all FAR more important to you guys, than it is I. You obviously need to get out and ride more. Pass on the Buell forum theses and get a life! REALLY! Glad to see that Lions at least has an open mind and a brain. | ||
| 71sportster |
Anyone who is REALLY serious and would like to put up their Title, as I would also, I'd like to have a race on YOUR chosen track, doesn't matter how tight, or even if it's a Go Cart track, Your Buell against my RSVR Factory. 1200cc's against 996cc's. Any takers??? PS. I write for a Motorcycle magazine http://www.cycledreamsmag.com/ & can take care of most of the details. It will be well worth it just for the "Enlightenment"! (Message edited by 71sportster on June 12, 2006) | ||
| Doughnut |
Yeah! Well, my dad can beat up your dad!  | ||
| Slaughter |
Jeff Dixon - XB12, setting up Don Erickson on the RSVR for a pass just 1 lap into an 8 lap race. Dixon was the highest placing non-Italian in the Heavyweight Twins class in last month's racing. Erickson is a ranked AFM and WSMC racer. Dixon is getting back into racing after a couple years out of the saddle (though instructing for Fastrack) I manage him (he also races my bike while I'm recovering) - you say you'll race for pinks?  | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
just from a personal standpoint having ridden a few different bikes its hard to say my buell would kick any new jap bikes ass....i just got done with an 03' R-1 when i rode that thing all i could think of was damn this is one scary sumbitch no wonder so many people die on these things...one wed a month my semi official brag chapter rides we have 6 japanese sport bikes that ride with us....we have been known to switch bikes during the ride.....its two different animals here people....i know for a fact that if i rode something like the R-1 or a busa everybay id be dead in no time....i know my limits and i know i like to pushem once in a while..the new jap bikes are scary fast and handle well....u cant deny that...i do think its funny some of them are going to the under the bike exhaust now ....honestly sitting on a new il4 and sitting on the buell u can feel the difference...i didnt even know the new gixxer 1000 was lighter than my XB9 until i sat on one and asked the sales guy whassup with this thing its light as hell....but again...apples and oranges...i like my buell....i havent ridden an 06' version of any of the new jap bikes but they feel damn nice....but if u cant ride it ...it aint gonna do ya no good when we meet on the street....ur just gonna be another guy on a body bag wishing he hadnt bought something he couldnt ride. | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
i wanan see that race...superstreet bike mag let a couple of guys race last year that had a big grudge going....ya i wanna see ya'll race id ride a few thousand miles to see that  .hell lets all do it....tractors against rice rockets it could be a yearly meeting we can all get all warm and fuzzy the night before and beat the hell outta each other the next day on the track....hahahahaha sounds like a family reunion. | ||
| 71sportster |
"I manage him (he also races my bike while I'm recovering) - you say you'll race for pinks?" Absolutely! Aaron Clark is my rider. | ||
| Slaughter |
Sheeeitt - how often is Clarkie racing here in the USA? When is he here next and which venue? If he's racing have him come out for the Toyota 200 in September, richest race outside of MotoGP ($50K first place) Have him contact me through my profile here. Not only can he race at WSIR, his licenses will transfer | ||
| Spike |
There you go. Just keep denying it. No Buell has ever passed an import. It can't happen. Just keep repeating that to yourself. If this really isn't that important to you why do you keep posting about it? If you really don't care, why not just shut up and move on? It's becoming a regular cycle for you. Come into a thread, throw out some troll bait, make a few baseless claims, start flaming others, accuse others of being childish for taking you to task over your claims, and then when your argument is completely shot down you claim the whole thing isn't important to you anyways, only to start the whole thing over again a few weeks later under a different username.
Surprise. The facts didn't suit you, so you decided to make it personal again. Good old Ccemn1 is back to being himself. Why would I risk the title on my bike to find out if I'm a faster rider than someone else? What would that prove? How would that eliminate the data Performance Bikes found? What would happen to my memories of passing not one but two RC51s on the straight at VIR South? Even if M1 and I both were to take this challenge and lose both our XBs to whoever on your Aprilia it still wouldn't prove that an XB is incapable of going faster than an I4 liter bike in certain situations. It would only prove that Aprilia rider was faster than us in those conditions. Our claim is not that the XB can crush all comers, but that it can pass liter bikes in certain situations. We have facts from independent parties and our own experiences on our side. You merely have your own personal opinion which you can't seem to back up. | ||
| 71sportster |
Slaughter, Clarkie's been here all along. He's the service Dept. Manager of Sea Coast, up in NH and building some truly amazing bikes! Didn't you catch the article Robb Report did on him & the SBK a couple months ago? He's more than willing to race ANY Buell and would like to meet at Pocono. I'm footing all of his expenses and the magazine will cover it if anyone is really serious about this? Spike, I'm sorry, but you're just too boring! | ||
| 71sportster |
Spike, I've passed Buells on my '84 RZ-350. Does that mean it's faster & better handling than my Buell? Grow up! | ||
| Spike |
Faster and better handling? No, doesn't prove that at all. What it does prove is that your RZ is capable of passing Buells under certain conditions. This is exactly what we're trying to tell you. Under certain conditions XBs have (not could, have) passed liter bikes. You stated multiple times that this flat out cannot happen under any circumstances. It has, you refuse to accept it. Can you make a single rebuttal without adding in an insult? | ||
| 71sportster |
Under certain conditions, monkeys COULD fly out of my ass too! Happy now? |
