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Archive through May 15, 2006Jlnance30 05-15-06  09:58 pm
         

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Rfp69
Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 10:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Only custom one-offs have ztl style brakes as far as I know.

About 30 years ago, a roadracer had one on a Kawasaki.
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Ctyxrnr
Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 11:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

WOW! thanks for the links Jim
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Rasmonis
Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 11:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Taken from the Suzuki website:

"Innovative new Suzuki Advanced Exhaust System (SAES) with new under engine muffler layout and Suzuki Exhaust Tuning (SET) system for improved mass centralization, superior aerodynamics, and improved low-to-mid range performance"}
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Diablobrian
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 03:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The patents addressed above are for the shape of the front of the muffler helping direct air flow to cool the motor and tranny.

The muffler valve patent is specifically for 2 cylinder motors.

Unless there are other patents on the books the Japanese are not infringing on the Buell patents.
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Jlnance
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 05:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I didn't see any others for exhausts. I think there is one, but it should have expired by now. Patents don't last forever. Working off some dates Court mentioned, I think it expired this year, hence the appearance of underslung mufflers on all these bikes. :-)
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Xbrad9r
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Suzuki can't come up with their own marketing either, their new slogan is

"own the racetrack"

they must have a "what can we steal from Buell today" committee...

somewhere inside "sopukey" headquarters a little guy with his glasses slid down on his nose, raises his hand and says "what if we use the flame (japanese accented pronunciation of frame) as our gas tank?" and the guy beside of him says "great idea!!! and what if we make the swing arm the orr tank"... and then the R&D director says "i think those ideas are as good as the underberry muffrer...i rike it, ret's do it"

My intent is not to offend anyone by the comments above...just poking fun at the situation...
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Lost
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 10:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

a friend of mine has the kawasaki 650R and he said that when he was buying it the sales man referred to it as "buell style exhaust"
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Hoax
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 11:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't see what the big deal is. It's not like Erik was the first with an under engine exhaust.
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Glitch
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nor was Erik the inventor of the motorcycle, but that didn't stop him from finding a new and IMO of building a better one!
Like the Japanese have ever had an original idea!

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Jlnance
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They must have a "what can we steal from Buell today" committee

To be honest, any company that isn't looking to see what their competitors are doing is being negligent. It doesn't bother me that the Buell exhausts ends up on Suzuiks and Kawasakis. It just confirms that Buell got it right.

What does bother me is that there will be a hoard of riders who assume that Kawasaki came up with the idea and Buell coppied it.
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Sgthigg
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 02:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No Erik wasnt the first to do it.
YOur right.
However
He did take the concept and make it a commodity for us.
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Teddagreek
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Japanese have a knack for taking an Idea and making their own version..

No Originality... Take the bike market.. Everything looks the same.. I was watching some stunters on Jap bikes.. They are all beat up no logo's my buddy ask's me what kinda bikes those are.. I tell them I have no Idea...

I can pick a buell out of a crowd or duc,triumph and a bmw but other than a busa they all look the same to me..I'm sure another jap company will copy that look soon as well..

No outside the box thinkers... The Creative Engineering/Just being different and beauty why I like my buell...
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Starter
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 09:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Suzuki can't come up with their own marketing either, their new slogan is

"own the racetrack"

they must have a "what can we steal from Buell today" committee...


I have a GSX-R750 from 1996 with the "Own the Racetrack" slogan in watermark across every double page........some people around here get a little too "Buell was the first to do everything" syndrome. You'll find alot of the stuff on mainly the XB series has been done before, just not all on the one motorcycle.
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Stretchman
Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 01:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You could always buy a Harley. Then, by the time you're done with service, customizing, etc., you'll have spent enough money there to "Own the Dealership"

Stretch
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Starter
Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 01:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Very true Mr Stretch.
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Plugs
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 06:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Honda had bikes with fuel in the frame in the 70's
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Plugs
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 06:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

both those exhaust patents are pretty comical. imo worthless
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"About 30 years ago, a roadracer had (a ZTL brake) on a Kawasaki."

Perimeter mounted disk maybe. ZTL system? Doubtful. It would need to be a floating disk and be positioned inboard of the rim and also take advantage of the ability to significantly lighten the wheel hub and spokes.
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Barker
Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 10:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Underslung muffler patent?

Take a look at the new kawa ninja 650r (a sporty twin with underslung muffler)
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