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Fresnobuell
Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2014 - 10:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Who knows anything about this kit? Is this a drop in (plug n play) replacement for the 43mm Showa forks? Feedback on improvement over stock for the track/street?

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Rodrob
Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2014 - 11:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have them in my race bike and my street bike. Great for the money.
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Stirz007
Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - 03:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's the previously available EBR Showa upgrade kit. Pretty much pull out old stuff, drop this in and like magic - noticeable improvement over stockers. I run 'em on mine and no complaints.
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Stirz007
Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - 12:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There's a nifty install and set-up manual that goes with it. Not sure whether it's copyrighted or open-source, though.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - 12:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Stirz, thanks for bringing up the manual. I was going to contact EBR for a copy, but when I checked the kit for the second fork, voila! A nice CD with a 21 slide color powerpoint. Now for some tasty reading!
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Kesnei
Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - 05:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Where do you get this kit? (Or where did you get yours?)
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Where do you get this kit? (Or where did you get yours?)




EBR a few years ago. I remembered I had them in the rafters and figured I better use 'em sooner or later. I'm doing a front end rebuild so it's a good time.

(Message edited by fresnobuell on August 06, 2014)
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - 10:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Great instructions for this kit. I had one question for any knowledgeable suspension folks. See the excerpt below. I can't find this tool anywhere online. What exactly happens to the damper rod as the spring is being compressed? Will it slide on its own down into the cartridge and this tool is to pull it back up?



(Message edited by fresnobuell on August 06, 2014)
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Stirz007
Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2014 - 01:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Handy, but not required. You can find 'standard' damping rod tools at RaceTech, Motion Pro.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2014 - 04:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What is the purpose this tool?
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Rodrob
Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2014 - 01:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It allows you to pull up the damping rod in order to get the top hardware on. I did it with a piece of dowel with some tape wrapped around the end to screw into the rod. Now I have tool from Motion Pro, I think.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Monday, August 11, 2014 - 12:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That Motion pro tool is around $40 and comes with 4 different size fittings. Thanks for the dowel+ tape idea.

So here is my shopping list for this fork cartridge swap and service. Please let me know if I am forgetting something.

1) Motion pro 47mm fork seal driver
2) Motion pro 47mm Fork seal Bullet
3) Race tech spring compressor
4) 47mm Fork seals
5) MOtion pro Fork oil level tool
6) Fork oil (5w or 10W)???**
7) Fork vice ***
8) Lots of paper towels...lol

**I have a note in the kit (From myself) to use 5W oil, but EBR in a recent email said 10W. OPinions?

***Have not seen a reasonablly price tool to hold the fork and to allow the top cap to be unscrewed. Suggestions on alternate methods of accomplishing this with something I might already own OR a link to a tool that might do the trick.

Thanks for the advice in advance.
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Rodrob
Posted on Monday, August 11, 2014 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You can do this with none of the tools above. Of course if you want to have them that's great.

Use 5W

I used a caster and ratchet strap as a compressor, the dowel above and a 1-1/4" PVC slip coupling is a perfect seal driver.

Here is a thread with pics -

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/559809.html?1272601481

Also see this important correction -
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290431/560917.html?1272836658

(Message edited by rodrob on August 11, 2014)
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Monday, August 11, 2014 - 12:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thank you Rob. You are the man.

I don't need to spend money on the tools and your improvising is perfect.

thanks for sharing.

One question. Did you have the bottom of the fork attached to the caster in anyway?
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Rodrob
Posted on Monday, August 11, 2014 - 02:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No. Just the tension on the strap which kinds of wraps around the edge of the wheel. A little awkward to get on. Might try some double stick foam tape to hold it to start.
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Stirz007
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 09:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The wooden dowel (sanded to a taper) thing works well to keep the damper tube from spinning when you loosen/tighten bottom bolt.
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Mitchg
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 10:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Are these kits still available anywhere?
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2014 - 02:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mitchg, I haven't seem them on the EBR website for a long time...not sure if this was a special part made for Buell or if there are other equivalent kits out there from Showa.

Maybe someone knows?
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2014 - 06:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does anyone know appx how much fork oil per fork?
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Stirz007
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2014 - 10:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A little over a pint per leg as I recall - you'll need three pints.
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