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Ohsoslow
Posted on Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 01:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's not a huge issue for me but was just wondering if anyone else ever have trouble finding neutral when you are stopped. I'm running mobile 1 v twin oil, I can always find neutral if I'm coasting slowly but every now and then I just can't get it into neutral when stopped, even if I ro k it back and fourth while attempting it.

Oh and I just rolled over 1000 miles
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1125caffinatedracer
Posted on Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 02:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Same. My bike took off on my on startup after i started it. Swear I put it in N. But went stopping from a roll. I have to sway back and forth while shifting. Get it on the 4th, or 5th time. I will look like a n00b forever. It is the only thing on my bike that kinda irks me. I expect it every-time now. And it is a progressively worse thing I believe.
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Kevin_stevens
Posted on Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 02:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hmm. No. In fact, I was just thinking today how nice and positive the neutral was in my CR compared to my new BMW S1000RR, which really is a PITA.

Unfortunately, I can't remember if I'm running Mobil 1 V2, or Castrol RTR4 in the CR right now.

Fortunately, my experience is that in fact fishing neutral gets better as the transmission breaks in. Mine definitely improved over the first 600-1000 miles, I'm at 3000-something now.

I'll never understand why the other manufacturers haven't copied the Kawasaki "positive neutral" feature. They've had it for decades, so it has to be out of patent by now. When you're at a stop in first you can *only* upshift to neutral - no fishing required.

KeS
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Ohsoslow
Posted on Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 02:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Kevin I agree on the Kawasaki deal, I have never had a false neutral ever, IMO this is one of the better shifting bikes I have ever ridden, aside from the neutral quirks.
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1125caffinatedracer
Posted on Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 02:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You guys are lucky i guess. Mine is concerning.
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Kickstand76
Posted on Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 03:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

same here, sometimes difficult to put in neutral. i think it's way too sensitive to that action.
my bike will kick itself out of neutral while at a stoplight. bike was in neutral for about 1-2 mins(with left hand on left side grip) then it kicked into 1st(or 2nd...not too sure) all by itself.
1125caffinated, have you noticed a drop in performance?
my bike has done the last thing twice that i remember and the "finding neutral" thing also appears to gradually strengthen itself.
i also remember someone posting up about a false neutral between 5th & 6th.
that's also happened to me, once.
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Tbenson
Posted on Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 03:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I too have this issue from time to time.
I am not sure if it is me, or the bike?

I did bleed the clutch, and that helped some.
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Kickstand76
Posted on Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 03:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

one thing i did notice tho, is that if i "ease" it into neutral, i don't think it's in "neutral". there has to be a definite "clicking" sound to get to neutral.
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Avalaugh
Posted on Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 03:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I always have to shift from 1st - 2nd then down to neutral ? not a big problem really.

What i dont like, is if you stall you cant just pull the clutch in to start again, i then have to find neutral before restarting ?
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Keef
Posted on Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 08:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The bike should start in any gear,with clutch pulled,in mine does...i use royal purple and no trouble finding neutral .....
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Milleniumx1
Posted on Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 09:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine isn't always willing to go into N without a few tries - 1,075 miles on the ticker. Sometimes it's fine, but occasionally I'll have to try it a few times toggling between 1-2 ...

Mike
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Jaimec
Posted on Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 09:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1,000 miles? The thing is just barely broken in!

It gets easier (they ALL do) the more miles you put on 'em. That's true of ALL bikes.

Most cantankerous motorcycle I ever owned in this regard was my first Buell, a 2000 M2 Cyclone with the original Sportster transmission. I didn't think it was possible to put that bastard into neutral when I got it. It DID eventually break in and got easier (but it was never as easy as any other bike I'd owned before or since).
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Captain_america
Posted on Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Same with mine. Sometimes when I come to a light the cluster says its in neutral but its not.

I have also found the neutral between 5th and 6th half a dozen times.
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Avalaugh
Posted on Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 07:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Keef
Posted on Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 08:57 am:

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The bike should start in any gear,with clutch pulled,in mine does...i use royal purple and no trouble finding neutral .....

I think the European bikes are different to you guys ?
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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 08:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rev the engine, *then* put it into neutral. It's easier at higher revs. Just a quick blip, then as the revs fall, snick it into N.
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Kickstand76
Posted on Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 11:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Rev the engine, *then* put it into neutral. It's easier at higher revs. Just a quick blip, then as the revs fall, snick it into N."

if you see some bueller doing a back-flip it's cuz he followed Rat's advice and accidentally hit 2nd. hahaha
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Chessm
Posted on Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i have the opposite, my neutral light will be on and the the bike is still in gear. makes me very cautious about letting the clutch out.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

..."Blip", not "whack"....
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Kickstand76
Posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2010 - 12:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

T.E.A.M. BUELL
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Dannybuell
Posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2010 - 11:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the energy from the transmission in motion can be used to help. As you approach your stop, at about 3-5mph there is enough energy inside the transmission to make finding neutral very easy, perhaps too easy. In less than 1000 miles on my CR I have tried for neutral that way many times and gone past into first a couple of times.

I have adjusted the shift lever angle and taken the rubber off of the shift toe peg so my shoe can get in and out easy when upshifting.

(Message edited by dannybuell on April 06, 2010)
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98s1lightning
Posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2010 - 11:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine is tuff when the bike is cold but once warmed up she's ok.
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Hogzilla
Posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2010 - 12:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a 2010. Mine is no worse than any other bike I've had. Sometimes it's tricky, but most of the time it's fine. Never had an "incident" related to it. I can start in any gear with the clutch in.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2010 - 01:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I find it much easier to click down from second into neutral as opposed to up from first. I come to a stop in first, then make one attempt to click up for neutral. Usually it goes into second--then a quick positive bang down on the shifter finds neutral almost always. Really its a non issue.
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