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Ferris
Posted on Saturday, November 22, 2003 - 06:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

hi John :)

yes, Wade is my son. i remember watching him being born like it was only yesterday, and yet it seems like a lifetime ago. he already has a coupla years as a California Highway Patrol Explorer under his belt, and when his five is up as a Miltary Policeman he's going straight into the CHP academy.

some of the regulars on this board know him from PACBOG gigs that he particpated in, and there are some folks on here who Wade considers friends. a week or so ago several folks expressed their encourgement on here to him, and i copied the posts (along with some Veteran's Day wishes from this and another thread) and mailed them to him to let him know there are a lot of people who care. :)

didya have a knee 'scoped? wussup? and don't forget you and Racerboy still "owe" me and California a visit. ;)

FB
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V2win
Posted on Saturday, November 22, 2003 - 07:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We will get there. We're just old and slow.
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V2win
Posted on Saturday, November 22, 2003 - 08:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Arthroscopy photo. This is what a knee joint is NOT supposed to look like. The Doc says a new knee is in order within a year.
John's right knee
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Edmanning
Posted on Saturday, November 22, 2003 - 10:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

WOW, Got to ride Daniels 130+ HP S2 today. I now need my cases cut and some axtell heads for starters. Rode with Lafayette and Jim down to Halls and had one Hellva time. Jenna has one strong S3 now in need of an isolator. Not bad for a bike with an honest 60K though.
Jims S2 was almost scarey without clipons, I couldnt get my weight over the tank enough to gas it like I do Buella. Gotta save a few bucks for the Nallins. I need 1450 cubes in my Buell.
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Rocketman
Posted on Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 07:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As promised several weeks ago........

VERY FAST TWO SEATER SAAB PIC'S ON THE QUICK BOARD!

Rocket
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Henrik
Posted on Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 08:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

John; that's not the worst patellofemoral joint I've seen ;)

Keep in mind that knee replacement is purely a question of when it bothers you enough that you say; "I've had it - let's do it." No rush. OEM parts are best in this scenario.

Henrik
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V2win
Posted on Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 08:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Henrik,
Yep, I plan on keeping mine as long as I can stand it. er.....stand on it.:)
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Jim_witt
Posted on Monday, November 24, 2003 - 08:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thought this was sort of interesting:

November 3, 2003

The Hon. John Hostettler
Chairman, Immigration, Border Security, and Claims Subcommittee
1214 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515

Dear Mr. Chairman:

Please accept this as a submission for the written record of the October 30th hearing on The Prospects for American Workers: Immigration's Impact.

First, I would like to commend the committee for examining the impact of large-scale immigration on the American worker. When it comes to discussions of U.S. immigration policy, the perspective of ordinary Americans is all too often ignored. In the halls of Congress and in the media, the interests of the immigrants themselves and the business owners who wish to employ them receive most of the attention when determining employment-based immigration or guest worker schemes. It is both refreshing and crucially important that the members of the committee are taking a close look at how these policies affect the lives and livelihoods of millions of American workers.

In almost every opinion poll, jobs - the availability of them, opportunities for advancement, and the wages paid - rank at the very top of the list of issues that Americans are concerned about. It has been pointed out that the current period of economic recovery is notable for its lack of new job creation. Meanwhile, the loss of manufacturing jobs to low wage markets overseas remains a persistent problem.

In addition to these factors, unprecedented numbers of immigrants - legal and illegal - are entering our country and our labor market, while hundreds of thousands of additional foreign workers are employed here under a variety of guest worker programs.

It goes without saying that immigration and guest worker programs are beneficial to the immigrant workers themselves. If it were not in their interests, they simply wouldn't be here. Equally transparent are the interests of American businesses that employ large numbers of immigrants or guest workers. Access to a ready supply of foreign labor - especially workers who have lower wage and benefit expectations than American workers - is beneficial to employers. The impact of mass immigration on American workers is less immediate and harder to discern, but no less important. Workers doing everything from picking apples to programming Apples have been affected by ceaseless influxes of immigrants and guest worker programs that allow employers to recruit workers in other countries. As a new report by the Inter-American Development Bank notes, the steady influx of immigrants to the United States has continued unabated even through the recent recession that saw unemployment increase precipitously.

When an immigrant or a guest worker comes to the United States, it is easy to identify the beneficiary and how that individual foreign worker has improved his or her life. Likewise, when an employer hires an immigrant or a guest worker, the benefits to that individual employer are immediately evident and easily quantifiable. The impact on the vast majority of Americans, who are neither immigrants themselves nor the direct employers of immigrants, is much harder to discern and is therefore often overlooked by government and the media.

Over the years, entire sectors of our labor market, which used to provide solid, dignified, middle class incomes for millions of Americans, have been transformed into "jobs Americans won't do." What began as a phenomenon of the agricultural industry has become widespread throughout the blue-collar segment of our labor market and, with the expansion of guest worker programs in recent years, has begun to creep into the higher skill areas of the American labor market.

The direct impact of the mass influx of immigrant workers has been felt by millions of workers who used to earn their livings in the construction trades, janitorial services, meatpacking, hotels, and restaurants, to name just a few. As the 1997 report by the National Academy of Sciences, and noted economists such as George Borjas of Harvard University have noted, these American workers have either been forced out of these trades entirely, or seen substantial erosion of their wages. This phenomenon also affects other, more veteran immigrants in what a September 2003 study by UCLA's Chicano Studies Center described as the "brown-collar" effect in areas of the country and the economy that have experienced large influxes of immigrants.

As globalization began to change America's economy in the 1970s, with the departure of many manufacturing jobs to cheaper labor markets overseas, American workers were challenged to retrain themselves for a technology-driven economy. Americans were promised that if they upgraded their skills and answered the challenge of a knowledge-based society, they would be rewarded with an even brighter future.

American workers have met the challenge. We have the most skilled and productive labor force to be found anywhere on the globe. American innovation and creativity has revolutionized the way the world lives and does business. And yet the people who created this revolution - the sons and daughters of the people who used to work in our factories - are now faced with the prospect of being displaced from those jobs. Through a variety of guest worker programs, visa adjustment schemes, and labor contracting outfits that supply a ready stream of foreign high tech workers, even our most skilled and highly educated workers are under siege.

There have been countless reports in the media, and countless American IT workers who have testified before countless congressional committees that American workers are being displaced from their jobs or forced to accept substantially lower wages as a result of mass immigration and guest worker programs. Even as the high tech sector of our economy slumped and unemployment within the IT sector grew, many companies still preferred guest workers to the home-grown variety. (Attached is a copy of FAIR's recent report, Deleting American Workers: Abuse of the Temporary Foreign Worker System in the High Tech Industry.)

It is much more difficult to show direct cause and effect between mass immigration and the hardship on any identifiable American worker. Consequently it is easy to overlook what is happening to millions of Americans who are trying to earn a living, support their families and communities, and realize their share of the American dream. But no one - not even the most ardent proponents of mass immigration - denies that it occurs. We may not always know precisely which drywallers, which meatpackers, which computer programmers have lost their livelihoods due to mass immigration, but when we look at the picture in the aggregate, we cannot deny that they exist and must not turn our backs on them.

Mass immigration also imposed hidden costs and taxes on the American worker. The health care crisis is just one example. In sectors of the economy where large numbers of immigrants are employed, workers often lack health insurance and are often too poor to pay for their own coverage. Consequently, the costs are shifted to those businesses that continue to provide coverage to their workers. Often, as we have seen, the costs to these responsible employers become too great and they must eventually eliminate or substantially reduce the insurance benefits they provide, leaving still more workers uninsured. Inevitably, these costs fall on taxpayers, who must subsidize public health care for a growing cadre of uninsured immigrant and American workers, or, as we have witnessed in many high impact areas, the quality and quantity of public health care is reduced.

The bottom line is that there is no such thing as cheap labor in American society. Mass immigration has simply shifted many of the costs of labor from employers to government. Moreover, when the costs of running and administering the countless government programs that meet the needs of immigrants and native workers who join the ranks of the working poor are factored in, the costs are substantially greater than if our economy had paid American workers a decent, dignified wage in the first place.

Moreover, there is an incalculable social cost to an economy that is dependent on low-wage immigrant labor, or which drives down the wages and working conditions of the native labor force. When people lose the belief that honesty, hard work, and perseverance will be rewarded, it will mark the beginning of the end of this unique social experiment we call the United States.

In conclusion, we know how mass immigration benefits immigrants, and we know how mass immigration benefits some employers. I urge the committee to consider the other side of the equation. How does mass immigration affect the overwhelming majority of workers and citizens in this country? How are Americans better off as a result of an estimated 1.5 million legal and illegal immigrants every year? How has mass immigration enhanced the lives of Americans who used to do the jobs that are now dominated by immigrants? How is it that we have unprecedented levels of legal and illegal immigration and employers still contend that they can't find workers? To whom are our immigration policies ultimately responsible?

The immigrants, through ethnic interest organizations, are well represented in the debate over immigration policy. Business interests that seek abundant and low cost immigrant labor are similarly well represented. The millions of Americans who are trying to earn a living and support their families need a voice as well, because mass immigration profoundly affects their lives. I thank the committee for examining the impact mass immigration is having on American workers and urge you to factor their interests and concerns into the formulation of these very important policies.

Respectfully,

Dan Stein
Executive Director

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Jim_witt
Posted on Monday, November 24, 2003 - 09:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Costs of Educating Illegal Alien Children Total $7.4 Billion, Shows New Report -- Taxpayers Across the Nation Pick Up the Tab

August 20, 2003

(Washington, DC — August 20, 2003) Taxpayers are spending $7.4 billion a year to educate illegal alien children, finds a new analysis of Census Bureau data from the Federation for American Immigration Reform. That’s enough money to put a computer on the desk of every junior high school student in America.

The estimated cost in some states is over one billion dollars, while others tally between six and 750 million dollars according to the report, “Breaking the Piggy Bank: How Illegal Immigration is Sending Schools Into the Red.”

With states straining under gaping budget shortfalls and public schools facing some of the most significant decreases in state education funding in decades, communities’ tax dollars are being diverted to accommodate mass illegal immigration. In California, the state with the highest cost ($2.2 billion), the billions could be used to supply books, computers, and other materials for about four-fifths of all classrooms, or even pay the salaries of nearly one-eighth of its teachers. In Texas, the annual cost of educating illegal aliens for one year (over $1 billion), if eliminated, is enough to provide health care benefits to every child in Texas for three years. Presently, nearly a quarter of Texas’s children are uninsured, the highest rate in the nation. Health care benefits could also be provided for every person under the poverty line in Illinois, if the $484 million spent in that state was redistributed.

“The new data show that America’s schoolchildren are paying the costs of our government’s failure to effectively enforce immigration laws,” charges Dan Stein, executive director of FAIR. “This is yet one more illustration of the costs of turning a blind eye to illegal immigration. States cannot afford to bankroll illegal immigration-especially on the backs of our kids.”

Additionally, while local governments are required to provide a free K-12 education for any child, regardless of immigration status, a growing number of states are choosing to provide subsidized in-state college tuition rates to illegal aliens as well. The report notes that doing so on a nationwide scale would raise costs by millions of dollars each year, even as public universities are raising tuition for everyone and limiting financial assistance to worthy American students.

“When our government ignores and even encourages illegal immigration, a small number of employers end up with low-cost labor, while taxpayers end up with the bills and millions of children end up in schools drained of resources,” says Stein. “In a time of fiscal crisis, now more than ever, lawmakers need to say no to this enormous burden on states and local communities.”



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Bomber
Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 09:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Interesting reading, Jim . . . . .thanks for posting it
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Newfie_buell
Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 12:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court,

Got your package today,

Will open it later,

Mucho Gracias
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Jim_witt
Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 01:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Take a few minutes out of your busy schedule and read this puppy.

Illegally in the U.S., and Never a Day Off at Wal-Mart
By Steven Greenhouse
New York Times

Wednesday 05 November 2003

They came from Russia, Poland and Lithuania, and their tales of washing and waxing Wal-Mart's floors for seven nights a week sound much like Pavel's.

Last February, Pavel responded to an intriguing Web site that boasted of cleaning jobs in the United States paying four times what he was earning as a restaurant manager in the Czech Republic. He flew from Prague to New York on a tourist visa and took a bus to Lynchburg, Va., where a subcontractor delivered him to a giant Wal-Mart.

Pavel immediately began on the midnight shift and said he soon learned that he would never receive a night off. He said he worked every night for the next eight months. In this way, Pavel, who refused to give his last name, became one pawn among hundreds employed by subcontractors that clean Wal-Mart stores across the nation, paying many workers off the books.

Pavel's unhappy stay in the United States ended with a shock when federal agents raided 60 Wal-Marts on Oct. 23 and arrested him and 250 other janitors as being illegal immigrants. Yesterday, the company acknowledged that it had received a target letter from federal prosecutors accusing it of violating immigration laws and saying that Wal-Mart faced a grand jury investigation.

The 21-state raid last month exposed an unseemly secret about Wal-Mart, the world's largest retailer: Hundreds of illegal immigrants worked at its stores, and its subcontractors appear to have violated overtime, Social Security and workers' compensation laws.

Company officials deny having known that illegal immigrants worked in their stores, saying they required their cleaning contractors to use only legal workers.

But two federal law enforcement officials said in interviews that Wal-Mart executives must have known about the immigration violations because federal agents rounded up 102 illegal immigrant janitors at Wal-Marts in 1998 and 2001. In the October raid, federal agents searched the office of an executive at Wal-Mart's headquarters, carting away boxes of papers. Federal officials said prosecutors had wiretaps and recordings of conversations between Wal-Mart officials and subcontractors.

The use of illegal workers appeared to benefit Wal-Mart, its shareholders and managers by minimizing the company's costs, and it benefited consumers by helping hold down Wal-Mart's prices. Cleaning contractors profited, and thousands of foreign workers were able to earn more than they could back home.

But the system also had its costs — janitors said they were forced to work seven days a week, were not paid overtime and often endured harsh conditions. Foreigners got jobs that Americans might have wanted. And taxpayers sometimes ended up paying for the illegal workers' emergency health care or their children's education in American schools.

"We Czechs are willing to sacrifice and work hard, but we definitely weren't earning enough money," said Pavel, 33, in a telephone interview from the Czech Embassy before he was deported last Friday. He said he received $380 in cash for his 56-hour workweeks. That came to $6.79 an hour, and he did not receive time-and-a-half for overtime.

In interviews, federal law enforcement officials, cleaning contractors, industry experts and seven illegal immigrant cleaners at Wal-Mart, including Pavel, said subcontracting allowed Wal-Mart to benefit while enabling it to deny responsibility.

Wal-Mart officials said it made sense to contract out the cleaning work because that enabled store managers to concentrate on what they do best, operating stores that provide low-cost merchandise. Wal-Mart uses about 100 contractors to clean nearly 1,000 of its stores.

Several industry executives said the questionable contractors made it hard for legitimate operators to bid low enough to win contracts at Wal-Mart.

"When you don't pay taxes, don't pay Social Security and don't pay workers' comp, you have a 40 percent cost advantage," said Lilia Garcia, executive director of the Maintenance Cooperation Trust Fund, a group financed by California cleaning contractors to police fly-by-night competitors. "It makes it hard for companies that follow the rules."

After the arrests, Wal-Mart, which had $245 billion in revenues last year, said it was beginning a review to ensure that no illegal immigrants worked in its 3,470 American stores.

"We take every action that we can to make sure our workers are legal workers, and in this case, be assured we will take whatever corrective actions are necessary," said Tom Williams, a spokesman for Wal-Mart, based in Bentonville, Ark.

He said of the target letter, "The notification gives us time to provide the attorney general's office information that supports our position."

Many people, from janitors to federal investigators, said Wal-Mart store managers and officials at headquarters knew about widespread use of cleaners who are illegal immigrants.

"The chief manager of our store knew what was going on," Pavel said. "He knew that we were illegal."

Federal law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity said Wal-Mart executives must have known about the use of illegal immigrants partly because 13 Wal-Mart cleaning subcontractors pleaded guilty to illegal hiring practices several years ago.

One of the 13 was Miriam Klackova Facemyer, 30, president of Spartak Cleaning, who admitted two years ago in federal court in Virginia to employing illegal immigrants. Ms. Facemyer, a native of Slovakia living in Richmond, employed more than 110 immigrants, most from Eastern Europe, to clean Wal-Marts and other stores.

Wal-Mart is not the only retailer to use questionable cleaning contractors. Hundreds of Mexican immigrants have sued three California supermarket chains, charging them with hiring contractors that never gave a night off, did not pay overtime and often paid less than the minimum wage.

Daniel Kuchar, a 25-year-old Czech engineering student, said he worked every night except Christmas in his 12 months cleaning for two Wal-Mart competitors, Kmart and Target, in Northern Virginia. The companies have policies prohibiting contractors from hiring illegal immigrants. Last March, he won a $7,278 judgment in state court against his contractor, Promaster Cleaning Service, for failing to pay him time-and-a-half for overtime.

"Everybody goes to the United States for the money," said Mr. Kuchar, who entered on a tourist visa and has returned to his Czech village.

One subcontractor, Stanislaw Kostek, whose company, CMS Cleaning, cleaned more than a dozen Wal-Marts in New York, Pennsylvania and Virginia, acknowledged that he had hired illegal immigrants.

"It's a degrading job; very few people want to do it even though the salary is at least $2 above the minimum wage" of $5.15 an hour, Mr. Kostek said. "But there are workers who want to do the job."

Those workers, he said, come from not just Eastern Europe but also Mexico, Mongolia, Uzbekistan and other distant lands. Some take the jobs hoping they will be the first step in their climb to the American dream, while others view it as a way to earn cash before returning home.

Mr. Kostek, a native of Poland, said he quit the business after paying a $10,000 civil penalty last June in pleading guilty to federal charges of employing illegal immigrants.

Victor Zavala Jr., who cleaned Wal-Marts in New Jersey seven nights a week, explained the lure of the job.

"When I talk on the phone to friends in Mexico, they ask me how the pay is, and I say, `We're getting $350 a week,' " said Mr. Zavala, a native of Mexico City who was rounded up in the Oct. 23 raid. "They say, `Wow, in Mexico we're earning 300 pesos a week.' That's just $30 a week. So compared with Mexico, it's good money."

Mr. Zavala said it was unjust to deport immigrants who worked hard and well. "We were proud of what we were doing," he said. "Every morning we looked back at the floors, and they looked real shiny. I don't want to get too emotional, but do you think we want to go back to our country and earn just $30 a week?"

One night, he recalled, a co-worker sliced his hand open on a floor-scraping blade and was rushed to a hospital in Red Bank. He had problems paying the $800 bill because his job did not provide health insurance and his employer shunned the workers' compensation system. The hospital swallowed the cost.

Reached by telephone, Ken Clancy, president of Facility Solutions, which employed Mr. Zavala, would not comment.

Mr. Kostek described an elaborate network of contractors that served Wal-Mart. There was a contractor above him, he said, that had perhaps 100 stores. This contractor then made individual subcontractors responsible for stores, usually between 5 and 20.

Wal-Mart paid the contractor $10 an hour per worker, Mr. Kostek said, the contractor paid subcontractors $9 an hour per worker and subcontractors paid their employees $8 an hour — although many workers said they received less than $7. Mr. Kostek said he had to pay for equipment, chemicals and liability insurance.

He did not pay some required taxes. "How do you pay workers' comp if you're making $1 an hour and you have to cover all expenses?" he said. "And no, I wasn't paying Social Security either."

Mr. Kostek would not name the contractor above him, and federal prosecutors and Wal-Mart executives refused to name Wal-Mart's cleaning contractors and subcontractors.

Industry experts and janitors said the contractors and subcontractors appeared to play a shell game, continually closing down, filing for bankruptcy and reincorporating under different names. Some closed without paying workers their last month's pay. Some insisted on a $2,000 finder's fee for providing foreigners with jobs.

"There is a whole Mafia-like structure," said Richard Krpac, chief counsel for the Czech Embassy. "They advertise on all these Web sites, and they try to erase all of people's doubts about it. If you're without work for two or three years, and you're trying to take anything, you may easily fall prey."

Denis, who refused to give his last name, said he got a medical degree in Russia before taking a job at a Wal-Mart in Lexington, Va. He said the store manager knew that illegal immigrants were cleaning the floors.

"It's obvious," he said. "They knew the whole crew consists of foreigners who don't speak English."

Denis said it was exhausting to work seven nights a week, with just a 15-minute break. "There were no benefits, no health insurance, no nothing," he said.

Robert, a Czech who runs a Web site to attract Eastern Europeans to janitorial work, said using foreign cleaners was good for Wal-Mart and for American consumers.

"No American wants to do this job," he said. "If they hired Americans, it would take 10 of them to do the work done by five Czechs. This helps Wal-Mart keep its prices low."


-JW:>;)
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Jim_witt
Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 03:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Ferris
Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 08:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ok, so first THIS hits my e-box:

Dear Seller,
I saw your advert (www.badweatherbikers.com)and i am interested in buying
your ('98 Buell S1W White Lightning ).
I want you to tell me the actual price you want tosell it.i will like to know
more about the present condition of it,i want you to forward the picture to my
e-mail address.if you have have the pic in your e-mail box, you can send it to
my home address below..

-----
1349 -----
SWITZERLAND
Tell : ----- But My Phone number just have a problem wiht it i
tell you as soon is ok.

The reason why i said asked for the picture is that i m ust see what
i want to buy first and method of payment will be by
check.
I don\'t want you to worry about the shipment of it,i have a
shipping company that will help me out for the shiping of
it,my shipping company will take care of the shipment.
Most important,i need your your full name and address in which the
check for the payment will be send to, The detail i need in as bellwo:
Full Name: That will be on the check for the payment
Residental Address:
Cite:
State:
Zipcode :
Country:
Phone Number:
The Main Why i am asking for this information is so that the pay
ment can be send to you fatsr and quick so i want you to mail me back with the
detail so that this transaction can be fast.
I shall look forward to read from you Quick Respond From You.
Thanks as i look forward to hearing from you.


followed by a cell phone call (allegedly) from the AT&T Internet Operator, who (allegedly) was acting as a "go between" to someone somewhere (i couldn't hear their voice, only the "operator's" ), asking questions about my White Lightning, which resulted in THIS e-mail:

Hi,
I am ----- that just called you and i know the cost of it is $4.800 and i have a client in usa that will issued out a check of $9000 on your name and he have agreed to issued out the check.
Moreover, I have a shiping agent that will come for the pick up in your location and the remaining fund will be transfer to the shipping agent after you have didut the fund for the payment and the remaining fund will be transfer to them via western union trasfer for the shiping charges and i want you to try and bear with me al will be ok.
However, I want your full name and adress that will be on the check for the payment and your phone number.
Thanks and get back to me.
-----.


anybody else out there getting stuff like this?

FB
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Reindog
Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 09:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ferris,

That is the oldest scam in the book. Stay away! It was tried on a friend of mine who was trying to sell her Buell Blast. There is a great website about a guy who recognized this scam and messed with the scammer. It was hilarious. I think Al has the url for that site.

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Reindog
Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 09:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.ago.state.mo.us/newsrls/2003/022403.htm

This isn't the funny one about the scam but it does list the phone number for the Secret Service.

http://www.cybercyclery.com/Members/steve/1057047527/1057239094/view

edited by reindog on November 25, 2003
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Ferris
Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 09:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

but they seem so nice. :)
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Phillyblast
Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 11:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.419eater.com/
make sure you check out this one - cool buell pic
http://www.419eater.com/html/ahmed_ibrahim.htm
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 06:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Newfie:

You will be surprised, I predict, when you open the box.

You now have something few do as a thanks for your record St. John's to East Troy trek!

Enjoy!

Court
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Newfie_buell
Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 09:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I got a copy of the very first issue of Battle 2Win!!!!!!

Holy Shit - I couldn't believe it - what a magazine.

I am afraid to even turn the pages on it - I looked at it briefly and put it back in the envelope Court sent it in.

THANKS, THANKS, THANKS

Bill

Did I mention THANKS!!!!!!!
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Blastin
Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 10:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ferris,

If it continues, contact the appropriate people. I had a friend at work selling a horse trailer and had a very interested buyer from OVERSEAS. They even went so far as to send a check for several thousand over the amount being asked. The check was traced and was bogus. It got turned over to the FBI. Be careful.

Jerry
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Ferris
Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 11:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I got a copy of the very first issue of Battle 2Win!!!!!!

wow, Newf, Court did indeed smile upon you with this one! :)

my B2Win's are still in boxes from the move, but as i recall the first issue features coverage from the original Blue Groove, yes? if so, note the pic of the Parkway Blue S2 (ridden by Court's mutant brother Howard Kelly from Hot Bike magazine) doing the wheelie. the guy behind him on the Ice White Pearl S2, looking on in a mix of amusement and awe, would be me.

and i shot a coupla pix in the article, one of Erik and Clement Salvadori talking with each other, and a group shot during the trophy presentation.

and, oh, the guy who copped Best S2 and Long Distance honors is a bitter little man who had the most memorable of weekends that weekend (thanks in large part to Court's enthusiasm and generosity), and who later changed his name to Ferris Bueller :)

Blastin, thanks for the advice, yeah this thing has SCAM written all over it.

FB

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Newfie_buell
Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 12:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah Ferris,

Those Shots are there as I gently looked through it.
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Ferris
Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 12:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

coolness! looks like Santa came early this year. :)
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Chaser
Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 01:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Click-For-Cans Food drive and its free, NO COST TO YOU!!!!!

Please participate this takes no money and about 2 min. of your time....
Every time you click a team they donate a can of soup to the hungry.....
Please take the time to do this for the Holidays at least.....

http://www.chunky.com/click_for_cans.asp


This is for a good cause and it is free all you have to do is....
-Click on the link
-Click on you favorite football team helmet (If you dont have one just pick one)
-Type the letters and numbers that they show you, into the box
-Click submit.....
-Campbells donates a can of soup.....
-You feel better and go about your day...

You can only do this 1 time per day.....

Please try to donate each day.....Just think if all of us donate everyday until the food drive is over, we will put a huge dent in hunger....
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Jimjib
Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 03:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would like to get more low and midrange grunt (maybe 10hp) out of my stock (accept for air cleaner and a rejet) 883 motor. I need some advice on the most cost effective way to do this and not cause reliability problems...any help would be appreciated.
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Josh_
Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 03:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bore your jugs or buy new 1200cc jugs then add Wiseco or JB 883/1200 conversion pistons (ie 1200cc pistons designed for the 883 head).
Add a set of CycleShack slip-ons and you'll be in business.
You might also try sportster.org for more 883 advise.
With any luck I'll take a ride tomorrow on the 96 Sporty I sold to my mom that has those mods.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 04:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ferris,
Total scam. The thing to do is to accept the offer, but do not deliver the bike or any payment until the check clears. It totally messes with them. The www.roadracingworld.com site has a lot of documentation on this scam and one of the comments by a reader was that we should start a contest to see who could garner the most checks from these jerks.
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Hans
Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 05:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Chaser, isn`t soup that low fat, low protein, low carbohydrate, low calorie, high salt and water containing fluid ?
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Ferris
Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 06:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake, if i had the time and energy i'd probably play with them a little bit, but i don't, and if they'll just move along i'll not have to become even more bitter.

i am, however, very glad to know that Al will be ok :)
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