| Author | Message | ||
     Wolfpak765 |
my 2 pennies. When they ran in the Formula Extreme class the 600cc bikes were allowed to be VERY heavily modded. The liter twins by comparison very little. The Honda 600cc FE model was a hp monster on the dyno. If memory serves it was near 160 hp (d"mn near the CBR1000) with all the light weight goodies that the HRC wallet could afford. I do not know if the Sportbike class allows the kind of mods that Honda had on their FE 600. | ||
| Wolfpak765 |
oh just to add the hp and mod info etc came from legendary Buell haters Superbikeplanet. They of course recently posted a dyno comparison between a street 600 and a Buell. They very well know that a Sportbike 600 is not the same but it doesnt help back up their tantrum to tell everything they know. That is the part that p1sses me off. | ||
| Xb984r |
"The Buell probably cost 2% of what some of those 600's did and they make no secret about running parts that no one can buy. You can walk in your dealer and buy an 1125R, and with a few parts from the BUELL CATALOG, have the same bike that won. " This is true Court, but with the displacement and HP advantage a stock 600 will not be competitive with the 1125, and that's what most on here complained about and was happy about the new format, it was going to give "Privateers" a chance. It's cool that they won, but to the "General" sportbike buying public its not going to help Buell. But then again that's just my opinion. | ||
| Court |
The Buell market has so few from the "general sportbike market" it's of little consequence. Those folks will buy flashy decals and bright colors no matter what. What is going to help the sport is seeing a variety of brands racing . . . I totally dig seeing the Buell, Japanese bikes, Aprilia , Ducati and others going at it . . . all of a sudden racing is fun. I'd suggest that all the press it's gotten lately supports that. | ||
| Xb984r |
So Buell doesn't want to sell more bikes?I guess they like keeping 2 to 3 year old bikes on the showroom floor. (Message edited by xb984r on March 23, 2009) | ||
| Xb984r |
"When they ran in the Formula Extreme class the 600cc bikes were allowed to be VERY heavily modded. The liter twins by comparison very little. " Wow you really didn't just write that.The aircooled V-Twins had unrestricted modifications allowed.Buell had an engine specially built for FX to run against the 600's, ever here of the XBRR. | ||
| Court |
>>I guess they like keeping 2 to 3 year old bikes on the showroom floor. Buell is one of the fastest growing vehicle companies in history and sales are doing quite well. | ||
| Eboos |
The "General" sportbike buying public doesn't even know when there is a race in their own back yard let alone the class structures. When they pick up Cycleworld magazine and see an ad for the Daytona Sportbike Championship winning 1125R, all they will see is Championship winning. Eslick said it best to Hacking... "there were 4 or 5 other Buells out there...". And as far as Hacking's comments about the draft, Bostrom and Herrin didn't have any trouble using Eslick's draft at Daytona, so it wasn't simply just powering away. | ||
| Eboos |
Oh, and by the way, there are no 2 or 3 yearold Buells on my showroom floor. Our inventory is looking pretty sweet too. | ||
| 4cammer |
NICE to see the competition crabbing that Buell WON. Remember when all they had to say was "will Buell even finish?". | ||
| Wolfpak765 |
"Wow you really didn't just write that.The aircooled V-Twins had unrestricted modifications allowed.Buell had an engine specially built for FX to run against the 600's, ever here of the XBRR." Yes I did just write that and it was NOT unrestricted. There were weight restrictions that were much higher than the 600s(which you could pretty much do whatever you wanted except increase the engine size), strict restrictions on the types of mods to the engine. Even with the XBRR engine upsizing what could be done to the 600 liquid 4s was in fact yes much more loose. A local shop here in Indiana made their own version of the XBRR with little effort btw. It's not a "specific engine" it definitely starts with the XB9. Ever wonder why the great and powerful HRC didn't complain? If you choose not to believe me then fine so be it but the people whom you have chosen to champion not long ago didn't just agree with me, they backed it up in writing. | ||
| Xb984r |
Wolfpak, you absolutely do not know what you are talking about. I don't know where you got your information but you need to do some research. | ||
| Xb984r |
Eboos, your dealer is one of how many? i see a whole lot of left over bikes discounted just here on Badweb. You can say what you want, they will wonder why it takes Buell 1125cc to run against the 600's, also they will not see the same bike that is racing, no full fairings on the showroom floor. | ||
| Elvis |
XB984R, let me see if I follow your logic: Now that Buells are racing and winning in AMA Sportbike when they have never had a serious effort before and now that Shawn Higbee is racing in Superbike and showing some promising results . . . . . . Buell sales are going to drop off? If you were on the board for Buell, what would you propose? Would you send out cease and desist requests to the teams that are racing your bikes in high profile, legally sanctioned races because you don't want to be embarrassed? | ||
| Wolfpak765 |
Same way they wondered why it took a 1000cc RC51s & Ducati 996s to run against the 750cc GSXRs I would guess, or maybe why EBoz could whip guys on liter bikes with a Kaw 750cc? Why is an 800cc MotoGP bike faster than a 1000cc Superbike? I got my info from superbikeplanet.com I stated that earlier. For the record FE was an experimental class. I fully believe that it was the intention to assist the XBRR to be competive within limits that HRC etc were willing to accept. HRC was also using it as a R&D test bed although I admit to having no idea what that research was for Honda has a big wallet and can afford to do whatever they think might later give them an advantage. | ||
| Eboos |
As it has been clearly stated over and over again, most dealerships suck! It isn't the bike that won't sell, it is the dealership that has had a culture of people practically begging for bikes that don't know how to sell. | ||
| Court |
Unfortunately there is some merit to Erik's post above. I have yet to see a committed dealer have any problem moving their Buells. Many of the Buell dealers I know would gladly take more Buells if they could get them. I have to tell you my wife was looking at a Buell on Saturday and I was really impressed with the young salesman who went out of his way to collect various seats, change them out and let her "test sit" various combinations. May cost me another darn Buell. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
May cost me another darn Buell. Oh, wouldn't that be terrible. <grin> R | ||
| Xb984r |
"Now that Buells are racing and winning in AMA Sportbike when they have never had a serious effort before and now that Shawn Higbee is racing in Superbike and showing some promising results ." I never said they would decrease Elvis, but to think that sportbike riders are going to run out and by a 1125 because it won in a class that many view as joke, I just don't see it.As for Superbike, sorry I don't see promising results from a 15th,lets not talk about the Canadian Superbike results of last year aside from the 3rd place finish, even with a Superbike spec engine towards the end of the year. | ||
| Elvis |
"I just don't see it.As for Superbike, sorry I don't see promising results from a 15th" You aren't serious, are you? You don't think a bike that has never been raced at that level and has not yet begun to be modified to take advantage of the modifactions allowed at that level that can go from 25th in the first race to 18th in the second race and 15th in the third race . . . against riders like Mat Mladin, Larry Pegram, Neil Hodgeson, Ben Bostrom, Geoff May, Aaron Yates etc. etc. etc.- who all have big budgets, big sponsors, top teams. . . . while Shawn is working with friends and relatives and practicing on used tires because he doesn't have the money to spend on things like fresh tires. . . . if you don't think that's promising, then I'm not sure if there's any point in trying to reason with you. | ||
| Vagelis46 |
If a 1125R is beating Aprilias V-2 1000cc, it means that : 1. It can handle 2. It has enough power What else is needed for a sportbike enthusiast to be impressed and Buell riders to be happy ? | ||
| Doerman |
I crewed for Higbee this weekend and he and other Buell employees are happy with the progression. Even the announcer at the race brought up the fact that an 1125R made it into the top 15. Buell experience gained in Superbike is crucial to future programs. Finishing 15th is icing on the cake. | ||
| Vagelis46 |
To add to my previous post , an Aprilia RSV V-2 1000cc won the Masterbike magazine competition 2-3 years ago. So Danny Eslick&1125r to beat Chaz Davies&RSV is big news. The 1000cc Aprilia did not dominate the IL-4 600cc, so there is something special about Danny and the 1125r. | ||
| Patrickmitchell |
I wish the races were actually on TV. Coverage two weeks from now is taking a lot of the fun out Buell doing so well. BTW: Hacking got suspended for bad behavior at the post race press conference. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
Hey xb984r. Who views that class as a joke? A bunch of street riding douche bags that think the "can ride the wheels of a GSXR-1000"? I'd love to see all the haters that haven't been on a track go ride the "joke 600's or the 1125" at more than a fast street pace and tell me it's a joke after that. I'll bet dollars to donuts I'd smoke them on my 12R race bike. That excuse if for people that don't know any better. It's for people, apparently like you, that think it takes no skill or balls to race a bike. Seems to be the common belief that all you need is the Honda, Kawi, Suzuki, Yamaha of the week that churns out the most horsepower and the rest is history. I believe that you were all proven wrong this past weekend, and Eslick said it 100% correct. There were other Buells out there, and had it been a battle of just horsepower, they would have finished like a train. One after the other. But that didn't happen. Can you explain why it didn't? Can you explain why Hacking actually ran faster lap times in the 2nd race but still lost? If he's being out horsepowered, he could not have run faster times. Weird, huh? I think we all knew this would happen. That's exactly why I started this thread. Seems a shame that people can't except the fact that the Goliath's were beaten by the lowly David of East Troy Wisconsin. I, for one, am proud of Buell. I don't need it justified by anyone but myself. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
One more question. What happens when the Buell loses? Is it because it's a piece of shit again?   | ||
| Bads1 |
We never win in that arena do we Rocco ?? | ||
| Anonymous |
After seeing the opposite posted on Sacborg, WERA, and even this message board, and just for the record: Danny's bike did not have more power than Barney's or Shawn. All three had identical specification engines. Danny rode his 1125R the hardest and the fastest on the day in question. | ||
| Slaughter |
WAIT JUST ONE FREAKING MINUTE here Anony - you saying the faster rider won? BLASPHEMY! | ||
| Diablo1 |
Well it's obvious that you need a fast bike and a fast rider to win. Just because a Buell finished way back in the pack, doesn't mean it didn't have the most power. The only definitive answer on HP would come from a dyno comparison or perhaps trap speed on a long track. |
