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Firemanjim
Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 12:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jack,if you need any different gearing I have the US and Euro rear and a 27,29,and 30 tooth front we can share.
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Madduck
Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 12:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jack,

You don't just need gearing, you also need to think about belt length. I think if you have both the us and europe belts you should be covered. I would recommen starting with a 29 front and the stock rear as they are geared pretty high from the factory.

Paul
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Jvv
Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 12:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FMJ........thanks....

got the pipes on yesterday.....Brad's going to do the bracket today........then off to the dyno....

ride safe...Jack
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Rocketman
Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 12:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jack that famous run I was focused on the speedo :) but I can tell ya it felt like there was more left. She was not flat that's for sure !!

If I'm right, 150 runs are on a 4 mile course which should give us time to build up speed baby, yeah !

see ya on the Salt Jack,

Rocket
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Rocketman
Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 09:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jack I've been thinking about that 144 run and how you said it was 'famous'. Yes I remember it well and it never fails to put a huge smile on my face. I owe you Jack. You're like me, you'd let anyone ride your bikes. Without me riding your big inch S1 , I'd never have seen that magic number, 144, on a Buell. My hat's off to ya mate, I thank you for the ride.

You know why 144 MPH is magic to me, well I'll tell ya. For years it stood as the highest speed I'd ever seen on a speedo with me in the 'hot seat'. The 'hot seat' that day was my great friend Simon's, Maseratti Bora. Was it not for other traffic that day long ago, who knows what that Masa would have done. Man that car flew !

I love speed, we all do, but there's something magical to us about the highest speed we've reached. Going fast is fabulous, and we can go fast most of the time if we want to, but going flat is different. Flat is FASTEST ! It's the ultimate, and in its search I go. I really can't help myself too. Speed's an addiction to me. So much so that back in '99, as a birthday treat to myself, I took a Busa out on test. I'd seen what an allegedly stock Busa had run on the 2 mile runway at Elvington, and whether the rider had lied or not, his claimed 204 had me thinking that I might get lucky on my 'road test' and top the 2 Ton !!

Call me crazy, but it was my intention to take the Busa out in all sorts of environments and 'kick its head in'. Please forgive me for my modesty, but 'kick its head in' I did, and proper style too, and I enjoyed it like I would never have imagined, but I also had another agenda to attend to, and that was to try to hit 200 miles an hour, to feed my addiction.

Well you need a hell of a lot of clear road to hit 200, and I saw speeds well over a Ton for miles and miles before I got a chance to really plant the Hairy Busa, and oh yeah great stuff, that thing shifted like nothing I've ever sat my bottom cheeks on or in. Freekin launched into the horizon like never before, my head was shaking like it was in a spin dryer, neck muscles straining like you wouldn't believe, and it was really hard to see ahead, to keep focused, and to try and see what the speedo was doing. I was on a mission, my head screwed on, no cock-ups, this was serious, and I wanted to go faster than I'd ever gone before, and faster than before I did. I saw what looked like a blurred 175 before a very small box appeared in my visor. That box got big, and I mean big, very quick, so much so that it turned out to be a seven and half ton truck doing about 65 in the outside lane, my lane ! Wow did I have the Big Busa fishtailing its fat arse off in an effort to kill speed quick. Oh yes it felt awesome too, once I'd realised I wasn't gonna ram that little truck, of course.

Yes 200 is magic isn't it, but I doubt many of us, including me, will every see such a speed whilst we're in the 'hot seat', but to go to Bonneville and see 'one of our own' do it, has got to be the next best thing. I tell ya, I have my 130 timing slips, certificate and some pic's of me and Jack with his S1, in a large clip frame, and they are my 'Gold Record' hanging on the wall.

There's one more thing too, if I ain't mistaken ol' Rocket from England is the fastest Street Buell Salt Racer on EARTH !!! How d'ya like them apples, he he. Ah yes 144 is still magic to me :)
If only Jack had got that timing slip, shh !


Ride Safe to the Salt everyone, and let's see 200 MPH on a Buell !

Rocket
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Jvv
Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 09:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ROCKETT...........thanks........looking forward to seeing you again!!!!!!!

PAUL..........I run a 29/61 on the street and just left it on for the 130 club........7200rpm=152mph....(cutting it close).....the rev limiter is set about 7000....(I think)......will know after the dyno runs.......

24/48 chain is 6800rpm=155 mph.....so I may just go to chain....can't see trying to change the belt at the salt as I've been told the 30/61 needs a different belt??......

AARON......thanks for the info........it helped my mind set!!!!!!

ride safe........Jack
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Ferris
Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 11:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

always love your words, Rocket, your mindset in matters motorcycle usually remind me most of me :)

FB
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Anonymous
Posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FB1 ... and you're not going? :anony:
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Ferris
Posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 06:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

sigh, can't Anonymous2.

there was a time when i would have made this trip happen, come heck or high water, but it would have been at the expense of family and finances.

this time around, altho my ugly old self nearly reared it's ugly old head, better judgement finally prevailed, discretion being the better part of valor and all that.

as i have in year's past, i'll be rooting from afar.

and if the sound and fury of Aaron's bike chucked-up on the dyno in the clip on TeamElves.com is any indication, there's a great chance i'll hear the record run clear out here in California! :)

FB
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Ferris
Posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 06:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ps: extra special thanks are due to the individual who offered to bankroll my trip to Bonneville. you know who you are, and you know why i couldn't accept.

your kindness and generosity will not be forgotten.

FB
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X1glider
Posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


Quote:

ps: extra special thanks are due to the individual who offered to bankroll my trip to Bonneville. you know who you are, and you know why i couldn't accept.your kindness and generosity will not be forgotten.


All of the sudden, I have found I can't make it due to lack of money and am looking for a sponsor. hint, hint...:]
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Road_Thing
Posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How about applying the funds to a hotel subsidy? Court and his damn patches are breaking me...

r-t
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 12:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

RT,
Be careful, those three words (Court, damn, patches) in one sentence may score you another fine. :]
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Roc
Posted on Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 03:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jvv - About a month ago I bought the Euro rear pulley off of Ebay. The pulley came with modified axle adjusters to allow the use of a US lenght belt. These were no more than the little plate pieces that go at the end of the pre '99? swing arm, with centers hollowed out. By centers I mean where the bolt passes through the plate. This seems to allow the axle to move bak another 3/8" or so. The ones I recieved seem to be cast in this way, but I think you could use a drill.
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Aaron
Posted on Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 09:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A quick perusal of a few parts books shows domestic and international bikes sharing the same belt. It shows the different pulleys, though.

Also, it shows a different screw, endplate, washer, and nut for the axle adjuster for the international bikes, but the adjuster itself is the same (steel swingarmed bikes, I haven't looked up the aluminum versions).
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Firemanjim
Posted on Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 01:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aaron,thanks for the research.I was just getting ready to pull out my S-2 patrs manual and look that up.Thanks for saving us the time--and expense of getting a belt we don't need.
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Psychobueller
Posted on Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 05:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

'scuse the ignorance, but what does "LSR" stand for? I assume it's not "loser".
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Ferris
Posted on Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 06:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

it's a modern-day derivative of "LSD" -- you know, acid.

LSR refers to the high you get going (or watching someone going) 200 miles-a-hour on a Buell on the Bonneville Salt Flats and setting a new Land Speed Record in the process.

heh, heh, heh,
FB :)
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Firemanjim
Posted on Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aaron,I went to dealer today to try and look up those parts and the S-2 parts book they had did not show any different parts.Do you have any #'s?Thanks,Jim H.
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Court
Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 06:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1995 - 1996 S-2 Thunderbolt

Front Pulley - 29T - P/N 40202-91A
Rear Pulley - 81T - P/N 34927-94Y
Belt - 128T - P/N 40014-94Y
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Pilot
Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 06:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have both pulley's from my X1(international gearing)available .I can bring them to the Salt for anyone to use and keep as I do not have the X1 anymore.Let me know and I will pack them into the case.Along with the Aussie Buelligan t shirts ,Bundy Rum ,Vegemite,etc.
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Court
Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 08:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you guys make it through Customs it will be a sad commentary on the state of U.S. Airport Security......:)
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Buellistic
Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 08:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FYI:
55 tooth rear 40252-91
30 tooth countershaft AFTER MARKET DS-360048
125 tooth belt 40038-91
In buelling
BUELLISTIC and/or
Hardley-Harley
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Aaron
Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 09:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

From the swingarm page of the '96-97 S1 parts book, the following are listed under "international only":

Screw, M5x20 socket head (axle adjuster): 3470Y (2 required)

End Plate, Axle adjuster: 41151-97Y (2 required)

Washer, 5mmx10mm (axle adjuster end plate): 6337Y (2 required)

Nut, 5mm flexlock (axle adjuster end plate): 7699Y (2 required)

The same pieces are listed in the '98 S1 parts book. Oddly, the '97-98 S3 parts book does not list these parts.



From the "Belts and Sprockets" page of the same book, also listed as "international only":

SPROCKET, belt drive, rear, 55T: 37727-97Y

SPROCKET, transmission, 29T: 40205-95

The only belt it lists is 40014-94Y, Belt, drive, 128T, and it's listed with all the other numbers, not the "international only" section.

I'll check my S2 book later ... but I don't think they made international S2's, did they?
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Court
Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 10:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>but I don't think they made international S2's, did they?

No. I scoured the S2 parts books today and there is no reference to any international parts.
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Aaron
Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 10:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Okay, did some more digging ...

No international parts are listed at all in the S2 parts book.

That part number that Court gave for the 29T front pulley (40202-91A) is listed in the S2 book ... that's a kit that also includes the big pulley nut, lockplate, and lockplate screws.

One other important note: The numbers that Lafayette gave are from the SPORTSTER parts books, hence the difference in the 55T rear pulley part number and the inclusion of the 125T belt for international models (the Buell parts books do not list a separate belt for international bikes).

Something else I noticed that I found curious ... through 1998, the Buell belt is part number 40014-94Y (128T). This is a Buell specific part number, as denoted by the "Y" suffix. However, starting in 1999, the Buells use bellt part number 40022-91 (also 128T), which is the standard belt used by the Sportster. I wonder what the difference is?
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Firemanjim
Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 10:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aaron,thanks for the #'s,I see why I could not find them as they are in your S-1 book.Did early belts have sportster logo on them or Buell?
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S2pengy
Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As i heard it Buell wanted a belt without a Sportster logo on it hense the different part numbers?????
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Peter
Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 11:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court,
Ten bucks says that you won't get that 128T belt to fit the S2 with your 29/81 pulley combo on it.
PPiA
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Buellistic
Posted on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 02:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ATT: Aaron
The -94Y Belt is just black, but the -91 belt
say SPORSTER on it.
When i have to replace my belt the replacement
will be the -91 belt because it says SPORTSTER!!!
Sorry, but i did not mean to cause confussion
among the craft with the SPORSTER gears. Thought
you'll were looking for some BCNU gearing!!!!!!
In buelling
LaFayette,aka BUELLISTIC and/or Hardley-Harley
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