| Author |
Message |
    
Tramp
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 10:11 am: | 
|
I live 40 minutes from midtown manhattan and I have hundreds of miles of trails and logging roads to ride.
If "land Closure" is such a burning issue, why are 4-wheeler sales booming at an all-tinme high?
seems everybody and their brother has a 4-wheeler, and a pickemup to cart 'em around in.
With a dualsport, you don't need the picemup or the trailer, you simply ride public hiways to the trails. i think many folks weighing in here are translating 'dualsport' to 'dirtbike'. to me, an adventure tourer IS a dualsport, and the majority of americans would use a dualsport or an adventure tourer for shorter hops than, say, paris-dakar.
a 1200 dualsport really could BE an adventure tourer. |
Mr_grumpy
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 11:28 am: |
|
I posted something along those lines a couple of weeks back, If Cagiva can do one with a duc motor & Aprilia can do it with a big V not forgetting the Japs & BMW with a big Flat, Where's the problem?
Now where did I leave that angle grinder? |
Firebolt020283
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 12:03 pm: |
|
dosent h-d make a dualsport for military use? |
Buells Rule!
(Dyna in disguise)
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 12:04 pm: |
|
I believe its actually an Italian bike with Harleys name on it. |
Firebolt020283
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 12:10 pm: |
|
well i knew it wasnt h-d powered, it has a rotax motor insted. but i figured they ateast built the chasis |
Blake
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 03:34 pm: |
|
 |
Firebolt020283
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 03:44 pm: |
|
blake is that real or photo shoped? |
Court
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 03:52 pm: |
|
It's real...been around for years and shows up about annually with the advent of the "Buell Dual Sport Thread". I have the entire set of photos of it.
 |
Ingemar
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 03:59 pm: |
|
Is a buell or just the buell engine someone has put in a frame? |
Firebolt020283
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 04:06 pm: |
|
well it is definalty interesting, just looks like the motor is too big for the dirt. |
Outrider
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 04:35 pm: |
|
BcordB3...You want the bike in my avatar? Well, that makes two of us at least. LOL
It is the Super StreetTracker Glynn Kerr was commissioned to conceptualize for Harley Davidson and is based on the V-Rod engine.
When the BWB went to avatars, I figured I may as well post a pick of the bike I want rather than the X1 I have.
Hopefully one of these days HDI will decide to make something like it either with the V-Rod or the XB-12 engine. Until then, I heave no need for anymore HDI products. |
Tramp
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 06:43 pm: |
|
looks like a 'buell engine someone has put into a frame", with the dual-downtubes in front and the *appearance* of a swingarm mounted directly to a frame....
the BMW r1200 GS motor is also "too bog for the dirt"
...dirt, strictly speaking, is NOT the sole purpose of a dualsport |
Tramp
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 06:45 pm: |
|
"big"/"bog" |
Jima4media
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 07:01 pm: |
|
The company that H-D bought was Armstrong. The military bike had a Rotax motor. I've got a bunch of pictures of it around here somewhere.
Jim Armstrong
Hmmm, how did I know that name off the top of my head? |
Unibear12r
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 07:59 pm: |
|
The Armstrong was built heavy & strong for the needs of the military making it a bit uncompetitive for the civie market. Still I'd love to have one. Harley had that company for quite awhile but it's now defunct or sold off I think.
I thought someone had posted at one time that they had one? |
Tom_b
| | Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 11:51 am: |
|
I guess I missed the boat on "Dual sport" All the posts i've seen show more dirtbike style. I was thinking more along the lines of a BMW Alpine which I guess is more like an adventure tour. That would be cool. |
Tramp
| | Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 07:03 pm: |
|
no, you got it. that's actually closer to dualsport than the enduro iron's everyone seems to be tangenting on... |
Bill00
| | Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 10:31 pm: |
|
I'm thinking about something like this:
Might have to give it a try. |
Road_thing
| | Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 11:01 pm: |
|
 |
Midknyte
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 12:55 am: |
|
Hey Bill, would that be the Buell "Sandstorm"? |
Firebolt020283
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 01:55 am: |
|
bill that would be perfect in my book for the dualsport. |
Koz5150
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 02:41 am: |
|
Try the harley MT-500
 |
Firebolt020283
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 02:44 am: |
|
i was waiting for that one to show up on here |
Koz5150
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 02:48 am: |
|
Hmmm.. it has a Rotax motor... |
Rek
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 08:52 am: |
|
So why don't you see more motorsickles used in the military? I'd think a mounted calvary on 500cc screamers would be one badass bunch'a dudes. Like Rat Patrol only better.
Rob |
Firebolt020283
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 09:49 am: |
|
see i was thinking something simular to that too rek. I tried to convence my chain of comand to let me get a blast and mount a M249 between the handlebars and go on convoys with it but they wouldnt go for it |
Tramp
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 10:41 am: |
|
nope- motorcycles make no sense in the military, hence the sh*tcanning of the wla and indian (740 and 840? can't remmember- both hd and injun prototyped and maf'd. several shaft-drive boxers) back in the 40s.
very difficult to shoot from a moving bike, jeeps allowed soldiers to have a passenger to provide cover/suppression. bikes get mired up more easily than the GP (jeep) did, and if you get a flat with a jep, your other 4 wheels keep you moving.
bikes made little sense for our military.
my post is conce rning feasibility of an all-american dualsport, not another foreign mill to bring us back to the 70s with the sprints... |
Outrider
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 01:32 pm: |
|
I may be wrong, but I always understood the original reason for motorcycles in the military was for courier (read: communications) purposes. If true, with the improved voice and computerized battle field communications, I can see where they are a thing of the past.
Concerning troop movement, there are now safer and quicker ways to get more soldiers in position. Additionally, I just can't imagine a flanking cavalry attack on motorcycles like they used to do on horseback. LOL
Now this is where I really could be wrong, but with the advancement in smaller attack vehicles (glorified dune buggies, quads, etc) I really don't imagine motorcycles being effective in either airborne or special forces missions. Although, I did recently read something about the airborne folding bicycle.
In conclusion, by merit of a motorcycles limited capacity and stability (read: risk) I just don't see any place for them on the modern battlefield. However, I love to see them in the War and Action Flicks!!! |
Stealthxb
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 01:36 pm: |
|
http://motorcyclecity.com/Military-bikes/M1030Diesel-Kawasaki.htm |
Bill00
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 04:10 pm: |
|
I photochopped the suspension off of this:
Cannondale parts can be found for pennies on the dollar. |
Redhatbuell
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 12:03 am: |
|
The Air Force has taken to using ATVs to patrol the back side of beyond. I guess there aren't enough of us that can keep in on two wheels. Like everything else in the military, we work to the lowest common denominator. Of course tear-assing around, drifting around corners etc is fun on four wheels too . |
Tramp
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 09:11 am: |
|
the most efffective use of motorcycles in combat was in the B movie: "the losers"....
(in terms of using motorcycles in airborne missions, they ARE a smaller payload (per troop)to drop than a quad, but they are FAR more susceptible to 'drop damage'. bear in mind, as well, that 'special forces' is a title officially applied to a handful of army abn. div.s utilized primarily for advisory capacity, while 'special operations forces' can be applied to troops regardless of branch or basic objective. the overuse of the term 'special forces' is an unfortunate media slip....) |
Jarhead
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 10:08 am: |
|
Outrider: My buddy was just medevac'd from falluja and is home now. He said the motorcycles were about worthless over there. Like you said, with todays comm technology there isn't much point.
I still want to ride the Marine Corps Diesel Kaw....I think it would be pretty interesting. |
Rek
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 10:38 am: |
|
On a slightly divergent tack... I have a '73 Suzi GT750 in my garage. Triple cyl, 2-stroke, disc brakes; a real snorty little bike. I've been thinking of making it into a "dual-sport" for my inspection rounds since I spend so much time on the gravel and the Buell don't much like that gravel stuff, especially the belt-drive part (5K miles out of the last one, before a rock got caught and punctured it).
Has anyone ever attempted morphing a streetbike into a dual-sport? The BMW RS-80 seems a good model to pattern after?
Rob |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 12:28 pm: |
|
 |
Gomo
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 08:02 pm: |
|
Well if Buell were to head into the Dual-Sport or Super Motard arena, they would need to relocate everything hanging underneath (such as exhaust). I do like the BMW GS as well as the KTM Adventure, it would be cool to see an American version in the group. Only the future will tell, although I like seeing what folks come up with on there own.
 |
Mr_grumpy
| | Posted on Thursday, December 02, 2004 - 04:11 am: |
|
If we're going to have a dual sport version, can we have one with a V twin & sidecar with a driven wheel, Ural stylee.
Then all you gun addicts would have no problem mounting a mini-gun on the chair, you'd even have room for a couple of laws rockets as well.
It might be a bit excessive but you'd get respect from cagers.  |
Heywoodjabuellme
| | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 12:17 am: |
|
There are pics floating around somewhere of a bike ridden by a german girl,It's been made into an offroad race bike.
In the pics shes jumping it and bombing through mud n stuff. |
Tramp
| | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 11:04 am: |
|
heck. my s2 hits the dirt and the whoop-dees regularly. |
