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     P_squared |
at least this president has the brains to stop making up words. That's a 'defense' for POTUS??? That's a 'defense' for Obama being 'better' than Bush??? The guy is intentionally throwing gas on the fire, REPEATEDLY, and I'm supposed to be 'happy' because he, ... has the brains to stop making up words."? His nominations are crooks. The crap he is pushing is dang near criminal. He's pledging $900M to Palestinians to rebuild Gaza, which was destroyed, again, after rocketing & bombing Israel for EVERY DAY for over a year, yet he wants to 'generate $540M' in 'revenue' by forcing veterans to get private insurance for service related injuries, and I'm supposed to be happy because he, ... has the brains to stop making up words."? He has repeatedly LIED, but I'm supposed to feel better because he, ... has the brains to stop making up words."? Is this Bizarro world, or am I just peeved because I haven't gotten my unicorn yet? | ||
| Crackhead |
i think my comments about the midwest went to far. i am apologizing for it now for offending people. I prefer Obama because he has brains. I would rather have a POTUS that trying to make things better instead of relaying on Cheney ruleing from the back seat. Sorry, if i want a president that learned at college instead of drinking through it. A lot is learned from them there books. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Are there any good conservative governors? Hell yes- mine, Mark Sanford of SC. As a congressman and governor he has consistently stuck by his principals even when it pissed the Republican leadership off. He is making headlines right now for saying he is not going to accept at least a portion of the federal stimulus package. As I understand it, some of the funds come with strings attached that require the state to pick up these new programs when the federal funds run out. Sanford says that's a losing situation. Of course he's being excoriated by state politicians of both parties for "throwing away" this money. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I thought about Sanford. I need to look at him further. | ||
| P_squared |
Crackhead, I would rather have a POTUS that trying to make things better instead of relaying on Cheney ruleing from the back seat. So you support the $787B Stimulus bill, which made it PERFECTLY LEGAL for AIG to give the bonuses because Obama said it was 'imperative' to have that legislation? You support the $410B OMNIBUS with ~$7.7B worth of earmarks, which Obama helped add to when he was a Senator and promised to go, 'line by line to eliminate wasteful spending', yet signed in private? You support the $900M aid package to the Palestinian Authority, while we’re in an ‘economic crisis’ according to Obama? You support veterans injured in service to this country having to find & pay for private insurance to treat their service related injuries so Obama can, ‘generate $540M revenue’? You support a POTUS who’s overreaching agenda has caused 18 states, so far, to introduce 10th Amendment bills? You support a POTUS who has yet to nominate folks who can pass muster to fill the VACANT positions at Treasury, while we are in an ‘economic crisis’? You support a POTUS who is attempting to create a $3.6T+ budget to fund every pet project under the sun, while we are in an ‘economic crisis’? You support a POTUS who’s foreign policy in relation to Britain, Russia, Brazil & Iran has so far been incompetent? This has been amateur hour and smoke & mirrors while Rome burns. The incompetence borders on criminal. The use of the ‘economic crisis’ to take OUR money to pay for every BS Leftwing agenda item while not focusing on the actual problem is downright criminal. | ||
| P_squared |
BTW, $787B + $410B + $900M = $1.198 TRILLION of OUR money. Money we don't have. Money my children & their children will have to pay back. Yet when it comes to an actual constitutional issue for which the Federal Government is responsible, our common defense, he wants to 'generate $540M' in 'revenue' by forcing veterans injured in service to our country to find & pay for private insurance, instead of having the agency responsible, the VA, care for them, as he promised they should when he was campaigning. Pick your point to defend him if you can. I can't & won't. | ||
| Rfischer |
"torches and pitchforks" It's near time to pull them out. This guy is worse - waaaay worse - than I had feared he would be. In retrospect, Carter was harmless, if inept. | ||
| Crackhead |
There is a difference between support and preferring one devil to another. At least this president believes in global warming and science. "You support a POTUS who’s overreaching agenda has caused 18 states, so far, to introduce 10th Amendment bills? " I think the hole state choice thing was killed by the Civil War. Ever since then states have been loosing powers. "You support veterans injured in service to this country having to find & pay for private insurance to treat their service related injuries so Obama can, ‘generate $540M revenue’?" I don't know the exact details of this, but there are a lot of reserves that would prefer their existing medical coverage instead of dealing with the bizzar VA medical system. I original though the VA system was going to go away and were going to receive coverage though existing medical plans. (FYI: I am a reservist and when i was injured I went to and paid to go to my own doctors) "You support a POTUS who has yet to nominate folks who can pass muster to fill the VACANT positions at Treasury, while we are in an ‘economic crisis’?" Non of these people do their own taxes. They have other people do them. Also the IRS rules are so confusing that everyone has violated a tax rule at some point. You might call it a left wing agenda but I see it as the Jebus people are finally kicked out. I believe in the separation of Church and State. | ||
| Hughlysses |
I thought about Sanford. I need to look at him further. There's a pretty good summary of him on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanford IIRC he's the ONLY Republican elected to congress during the Newt era who signed the "term limits" pledge that stuck by it. | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
So I've read this thread and wanted to ask ft court and the rest of you that know more a few questions. AIG is a large conglomerate with lots of smaller companies under it, right? Do the divisions the bonus recievers work in perform? If my company offers me, working in division A, A bonus for turning a profit, but division B goes bust, I still deserve a bonus as I have nothing to do with division B. And as I understand it AIG did nothing wrong if they are meeting thier contractual obligations. If anybody was to blame it would be the people that gave them the money and said it was OK. Also a more important question, What would happen if we told AIG to F-Off gave them nothing and let them go under? Are they that important to us? | ||
| Rfischer |
"...none of these people do their own taxes..." Your defense of these tax-scofflaws and criminals would be laughable, as is the rest of your attempted rebuttal to Phil, 'cept that it's ill-considered opinions like yours which put these clowns in a position to cram their populist socialism down our throats. "Chavez" is alive and well on Pennsylvania Avenue. A disaster of epic proportions is in the making right before our eyes. | ||
| P_squared |
At least this president believes in global warming and science. So you are all for paying a LOT more for your energy consumption, based on religion, er, I mean ‘global warming’? (Btw, it’s no longer ‘global warming’ it is ‘climate change’ since the alarmist’s models couldn’t accurately predict the recent DROPS in temperatures.) As for the ‘belief in science’ bit, I’m assuming you are referring to the EO on embryonic stem cells? Really? You sure you want to pick that point to defend him? I think the hole state choice thing was killed by the Civil War. Ever since then states have been loosing powers. So then we should abolish the 10th Amendment and let the Federal Government provide for everything we desire? No thank you. Please read up on the Amendment in question before assuming we are talking about secession. I don't know the exact details of this, but there are a lot of reserves that would prefer their existing medical coverage instead of dealing with the bizzar VA medical system. I original though the VA system was going to go away and were going to receive coverage though existing medical plans. (FYI: I am a reservist and when i was injured I went to and paid to go to my own doctors) Newsflash, this isn’t just for Reserves. As a Reservist, you can very likely get private insurance via your employer today. What about the Active Duty veteran, injured in service, who gets out & tries to get healthcare through their new employer? You want to tell me how that is going to work out? Higher costs for the rest of us until the insurance companies say ‘enough’ and won’t cover ‘pre-existing’ conditions. Yet there is a Government organization, the VA, already in place to cover just that. The same VA Obama made the following statements about on the campaign trail: “We’ll fully fund VA health care. No more delays. We’ll pass on-time budgets. No more means testing. It’s time to allow every veteran into the VA system.” I’d like you to consider my grandfather in this situation. A WWII veteran who receives his healthcare at a VA facility ~4hrs. from his home. Please show me the private insurance that wants to pick up his VA expenses that he can afford. Non of these people do their own taxes. They have other people do them. Also the IRS rules are so confusing that everyone has violated a tax rule at some point. Stop dodging. Who has he NOMINATED, regardless of tax issues? It is HIS JOB to nominate candidates. People can’t be confirmed if they’re not nominated, regardless of tax issues. Btw, Geithner was confirmed. There are still a LOT of empty seats at Treasury. Not a lot of nominations made to fill them. You might call it a left wing agenda but I see it as the Jebus people are finally kicked out. I believe in the separation of Church and State. What exactly does the separation of Church & State have to do with this? | ||
| P_squared |
2008xb12scg, AIG is a large conglomerate with lots of smaller companies under it, right? Yes Do the divisions the bonus recievers work in perform? Yes/no = maybe. Some of the ‘bonuses’ were actually contractual obligations, not a ‘bonus’ as most folks understand the term. If my company offers me, working in division A, A bonus for turning a profit, but division B goes bust, I still deserve a bonus as I have nothing to do with division B. That’s how it works for me. And as I understand it AIG did nothing wrong if they are meeting thier contractual obligations. Correct. Not to mention that Treasury actually knew the payout schedule back in December. Seems a little late to be ‘outraged’ about it now, don’t you think? If anybody was to blame it would be the people that gave them the money and said it was OK. Look to Sen. Dodd and his provision specifically placed in the ‘Stimulus’ bill that made it legal. Also a more important question, What would happen if we told AIG to F-Off gave them nothing and let them go under? Are they that important to us? I can’t answer that one definitively. I’ve read up on both sides of the argument and haven’t come to a conclusion yet myself. | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
P_squared not to thread jack, but can you tell your Grandpa thanks for me? | ||
| Court |
It is of note that the stimulus package, which limited executive compensation to $500,000, was amended by Senator Chris Dodd (yep, the same one who is now outraged) to have language added that specifically exempted bonuses.
Shame the idiots didn't take the opportunity to read it. I still am amazed that it was so critical and urgent that it was printed at 11:38PM at night, had to be voted on by Congress the next morning, yet the President took a 3 day vacation to go to Chicago and didn't sign it until a photo op in Denver the following Tuesday. He should be ashamed. This is not "neighborhood organizing". | ||
| P_squared |
2008xb12scg, I tell him THANK YOU everytime I talk to him. He's a really amazing man IMHO, and taught me a LOT of the beliefs & morals I hold dear today. His 'hobby' that keeps him busy and still puts a gleam in his eyes: http://www.dobbysfrontiertown.com/ Now please resume the thread.  | ||
| Greenlantern |
Opinion?, How much bulls*** and how many dollars saved would result from a law requiring that all and I mean every single last backwards ass one of them which is ALL OF THEM if nothing than by complicity alone actually read all legislation before signing off on it? By the way, They do not have enough time IS NOT an acceptable answer because if there is enough time for it to be written then there sure as hell is enough time to read it. It will not happen EVER because it would require accountability which is a concept long lost from our system of government and I do not mean "democracy" by that. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Faux outrage. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. When the peak of the screaming occurs, look to see what lead to the "outrage" and more than likely those doing he screaming caused it. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Speaking of POTUS- I miss POTUSA...  | ||
| P_squared |
I could get behind a law like that. But I have little hope of that happening if they are too coward to bring the issue of their automatic payraises to a vote on either floor and actually be put on the record. | ||
| Court |
Little Chucky Schumer has sure done a turn around on his "it's only a few hundred million, it's peanuts and nobody cares about that" . . when he was taken to task about the pork in the stimulus bill. | ||
| Spatten1 |
This is not "neighborhood organizing". LMAO His "experience" was punching staples into telephone poles, working to get poor people mortgages they could not afford. When the peak of the screaming occurs, look to see what lead to the "outrage" and more than likely those doing he screaming caused it. Universal truth. It was like when Bob Barr was screaming his head off about Clinton's affair, then we found out he had a nearly identical "situation". | ||
| Blublak |
OK.. Pop Quiz.. What company insures the Congressional Retirement? As for bills they don't read.. Recently, when the minority in the house asked to have an anti 1st amendment clause in the last omnibus bill removed.. Pelosi informed them they weren't allowed to make changes or additions to bills anymore. Or some such.. Now, I wonder if that one stayed in there .. Or was it yanked before it could be widely reported? Think about it, if it's still there.. this board may quickly become illegal.. | ||
| Reindog |
Unintended consequences .... Ever heard of a little thing called AMT? A reactive Congress passed this legislation as the Tax Reform Act of 1969 to close tax deductions of the rich. This kneejerk piece of legislation was not well thought out and was politically motivated. There were no adjustments for inflation in the Act. Guess what? Inflation has crept up that it is estimated that it will ensnare 1 in 5 taxpayers by 2010. The original intent was to collect taxes from several hundred individuals. Does this all sound familiar with the current Congressional "outrage" over AIG? It is reminiscent of Louis in "Casablanca". If Congress can tax 95-100% of the AIG bonus recipients, then make no mistake that they are coming for YOU next. It is human nature. We nudge one baby step closer to repeating the French Revolution and the Reign of Terror. The Reign of Terror was an unintended consequence of the French Revolution. BTW: who received the most money from AIG? http://www.examiner.com/x-268-Right-Side-Politics- Examiner~y2009m3d17-Obama-Received-a-101332-Bonus- from-AIG "Senator Barack Obama received a $101,332 bonus from American International Group in the form of political contributions according to Opensecrets.org. The two biggest Congressional recipients of bonuses from the A.I.G. are - Senators Chris Dodd and Senator Barack Obama". Crackhead: Turn ON your spellchecker. Your readers will judge you on a perceived paucity of education rather than a richness of ideas when they are inundated with spelling and grammatical errors. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
he had a nearly identical "situation". Are you serious? Have you seen Bob Barr? Clinton got it for free. Bob Barr would have to pay for it. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Good one!!! | ||
| Crackhead |
Reindog, Yea my spelling sucks and I was trying to type the whole thing during my break. The Civil War was about state choice forget the succession part. When the south lost it was the beginning of the change from state choice to central government. The VA/ military medical system sucks for everyday use. (on deployment side it is acceptable) It is much easier and quicker to get to my civilian doctors and I though the idea was to reimburse your existing insurance company/ doctors for your military injuries. Part of the problem I have is that the the VA/mil system was not designed for dealing with reservists that have established doctors and have been going to the same practice for over 20 years. When i talk about Obama believing in science, Look at this http://climate.noaa.gov/index.jsp?pg=/education/ed u_index.jsp&edu=literacy Bush would never allow science to over rule the party line of dam the environment full speed ahead. | ||
| Greenlantern |
Faux outrage. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. With all due respect,don't do that, I already have a wife to tell me how I feel. And it was FRUSTRATION and agreement with Court's quote "Shame the idiots didn't take the opportunity to read it. ",not outrage (Outrage at the political machine of the moment? Misplaced use of emotional reserves.) Your just miffed because I did not point out Obama or his cronies by name. (see your'e not the only Kreskin round these parts  ) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I wasn't even talking to you or about you. Lighten up Francis. My point was more in reference to the faux outrage by those who specifically are on the "take" or who specifically made possible the very circumstances they are screaming about. Sorry if you felt I was addressing your comments. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I just looked back. Between the time Court posted and when I posted my thought, you two snuck in. Damn multitasking. |
