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Ccryder
Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 11:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I need some HELP!!!! I have a job interview next Monday with Quanta for a Process Engineering position. One of the HR people mentioned their "systemic process'". What in the heck are they talking about???? I have NEVER heard systemic used with and engineering process. I have heard about systemic this or that in the medical world but.... related to engineering.

By definition systemic is pertaining to the whole system versus just a part of the whole system.

With 30+ years in engineering I need some help. I really think that someone has just grabbed this buzz word and applied it a function that seems applicable but, is just another fancy way to say something simple. BTW Quanta is a Chinese computer company that assembles servers here in the USA and refurbishes Notebook computers at the same facility. They have 500+ people in 100,000ft2 building doing this work.

Wish me luck!!

TIA
Neil S.
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Glitch
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 07:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.well.com/~dooley/systems.html
Might help, I hope so...
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Danger_dave
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 07:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/games/ca reer/bin/ms.cgi
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Mikej
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 09:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you can't impress them with brilliance then baffle them with BS

Mechatronics


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=systemic+engi neering+systems


This is kind of interesting:
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=/i el5/9677/30561/01409950.pdf?arnumber=1409950

quote:

Towards a systemic approach to autonomic systems engineering
Bustard, D.; Sterritt, R.; Taleb-Bendiab, A.; Laws, A.; Randles, M.; Keenan, F.
Engineering of Computer-Based Systems, 2005. ECBS apos;05. 12th IEEE International Conference and Workshops on the
Volume , Issue , 4-7 April 2005 Page(s): 465 - 472
Digital Object Identifier 10.1109/ECBS.2005.71
Summary: An autonomic system is structured as a network of autonomic elements that collaborate to achieve the system's purpose. This paper examines the potential benefit of using well-established systems concepts and techniques in the development of such systems. In particular, it considers the possible role of Checkland's Soft Systems Methodology and Beer's Viable Systems model in system design. The paper summarizes the relevant aspects of each approach and then assesses both their individual and joint strengths in support of the construction and evaluation of designs. Some practical issues in the use of these approaches are also identified. The discussion is illustrated using aspects of the design of an autonomic operating system.


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Mikej
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 09:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wiki to the rescue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemics
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Ccryder
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 09:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ahhh, Grasshopper now you can grasp the pebble from my hand:

SYSTEMIC PHILOSOPHY asks the question, "How can we understand systems?" With the perspectives of systems philosophy, we look at the world in terms of facts and events in the context of wholes, and we understand them as integrated sets purposefully arranged in systemic relations. In contrast to the analytic, reductionist, linear, single cause-and-effect view of the philosophy of classical science, systems philosophy brings forth a reorganization of ways of thinking and knowing perceived reality, a view manifested in synthetic, expansionist, dynamic, and multiple/mutual causality modes of thinking and inquiring, how things work more than what things are.

Interesting read: http://www.isss.org/taste.html

I've been doing it but just didn't know the name of what I was doing.

Thanks All.

Neil S.
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