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Chrisb
Posted on Saturday, May 04, 2002 - 08:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Looking to buy a M2 The only bikes I can find are "L's.

Going to ask the dealer if they will swap out the seat for a regular M2 seat. Then there is the shock.......

Short of buying a new shock any ways around this?

How much is a new shock?
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Ken01mp
Posted on Saturday, May 04, 2002 - 09:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i have an M2L with an M2 seat. made all the difference in the world. "L" seats are uncomfortable, fugly, and they put you in a bad position to do wheelies and make it tougher to shift. change the seat, and you wont know the difference between an M2 and an M2L

Ken
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Oldman
Posted on Saturday, May 04, 2002 - 11:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

just getting the softer seat made all the difference in the world, that stock seat sucked.
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Buellgrrrl
Posted on Saturday, May 04, 2002 - 11:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The thinner seat is responsible for about half of the lowering. The low height of the M2L makes it a lot easier for me to ride, so I wouldn't want it much higher. A bit more padding might be nice on long days, although I've done a 500 mile day without much discomfort. One possible option would be to keep the low seat for in town use, and get the tall seat for long rides, when you don't stop much anyway.

BuellGrrrl
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Illfixit
Posted on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 02:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

what about cornering? wont the m2l drag the peg easier? .... just a thought
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Spiderman
Posted on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 11:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nope they both have the same ground clearence how that happened i dont know but that is what Buell claims
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Rick_A
Posted on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 10:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Isn't the low missing about 1" of suspension travel compared to the standard M2? That's no good.
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 11:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Spidy, I think you are mistaken. The low version sits an inch closer to the road. How could it possibly have the same ground clearance?
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Spiderman
Posted on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 09:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey thats what Buell MC tells me
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S2pengy
Posted on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I got both late model showa shocks and the M2L shock is 11/16 longer which means the bike with a load would sit lower.... Inseam impaired Penguin.....
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Blake
Posted on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 11:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Spidy, I'm guessing a salesman told you that. Am I correct?
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Spiderman
Posted on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 08:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

NO thats what BUELL MOTOR CYCLE COMPANY TELLS ME
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 01:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Spidy,

Can you please name the source?
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Spiderman
Posted on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 09:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One of the Buell reps from the factory couldn't tell you his name it was a year ago. I'll tell ya what i'll measure the peg diff with a tape measue with the M2 on its side stand and let u know
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Spiderman
Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 11:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well the kickstand diif is one inch so i stand corrected ah well
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 11:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Spidy, Don't bother. Firstly that's a very inaccurate way to find the answer you are seeking. Secondly, despite what you may have heard, the M2L does not have the same cornering/ground clearance as the standard M2. It has less. You may be confusing the M2L with the low option for the Blast which entails only a seat change, no suspension lowering like on the M2L.

The problem with measuring peg height with the bikes on their sidestands is that one bike may be leaning over further than the other. Stand the bikes upright or measure to the center of the cases to get a valid measurement. You would also need to ensure that both suspensions are at a zero squat position when you take the measurements.
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Spiderman
Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 12:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 03:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Spiderman
Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 03:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 05:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Xgecko
Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 05:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

you know a good set of rearsets from say ASB (sorry I can't reach their URL), Banke or Crossroads would solve the lean-angle problem and the lower bike looks better (IMHO) than the standard in the firstplace
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Spiderman
Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 05:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Rick_A
Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 09:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Looks are nothing. Function is everything(almost). I'm on tiptoes on my S1 and that's better than how I stand on most sportbikes. I think as long as you can put one foot on the ground you're fine, damnit.
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 01:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

XG,

There you go!

Rearsets are the way to go. I am a true convert to the world of rearsets. When I bought the '97 M2 in NYC, it came with the Banke rearsets. I was sure I would replace them with pegs/levers in the stock locations. After riding for a couple hours, with the rearsets carrying a significant portion of my weight that was previously left to squash the meager seat, I was sold. I can ride in comfort longer with the rearsets than I could with the stock pegs. It just doesn't take long for your legs to get used to being bent more drastically than normal. Your ass will thank you. You'll need a set of low rise or clip-on type bars to even out the ergos though.
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 10:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For Spidy...
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Christos
Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Can you keep passenger pegs when you have rear sets? I want the rears, but I ride two up 60% of the time.
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Spiderman
Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 11:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For Blake...
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Christos;

I still have passenger pegs on my M2. Passenger just needs to ride rest on the balls of their feet. My size 12 riding boots span both pegs.
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Oldman
Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 06:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i can get real comfortable when i put my instep on the rear peg if i'm on the x-way. kinda like sitting on one of those irgonomic typing stools.
they need to come up with a toe/heel shifter though.
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Buellgrrrl
Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 01:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Guys, enough of this talk of jacking up M2Lows! The M2L is the BEST all round motorcycle in the world for women and other shortish folks. So instead of thinking of M2Ls as overstock bargains, think of them as great tools to get your girlfriend/wife/mother/sister/daughter/short buddy onto a serious motorcycle. Besides, jacking up an M2L will probably cost more than you'd save over an M2 anyways... So do some Buell missionary work and get our short friends on them M2Ls now- before some wise guy stuffs 'em in a container and ships 'em off to Japan for very profitable resale.

BuellGrrrl
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Xgecko
Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 03:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I sat on a M2L today. Yes it needs rearsets but I feel that way about all motorcycles after installing the crossroads ones on mine. A seat change to something more comfortable is a normal upgrade. Unless you are over 6'3" a M2L should be just fine
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