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Bhillberg
Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 12:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

On my ride home tonight about 5-10 minutes into my ride my X1 "stuttered" for a second then my service engine light came one. I immediately clutched it and started to make my way over to the side of the road. It only stayed on for about 3-5 seconds (if that). I took it easy and got to the next exit. I pulled into a well lit gas station and looked it over, leaving it running, nothing seemed odd. I went on my way taking it easy. At the time the stutter and engine light came on I was running a little over 4k on the tach, I kept it around or under 3k. Then a few miles from home I went ahead and tried to see if I could trigger it again. I got into the throttle kinda hard but nothing happened. I stopped at a gas station when I came out and started it back up it continued to run fine. I rode the next 2 miles to home and when I got home I checked the oil, it didn't show on the stick. I have rode this bike a LOT the past week and know I should have checked the oil but never did until tonight. Is there any way other than with a computer to check to see what the light was? Should I even worry about it? Any chance it was related to the low oil? The oil pressure light never came on. Any help would be appreciated. I did get my service manual out and it said that if there was a code stored the light would go on for 4 seconds after the key was put in the on position, then go off for 4 seconds and then come back on, this never happened. Not at home or at the gas station.
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Sloppy
Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 02:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you have an FSM (or do a search in the KV) you'll find the procedure to read codes in memory. It's basically an OBD I style where you jumper the plug and count the flash codes to figure out what your problem is. If you don't have an FSM then get one.

I once had the service light come up due to low voltage due to a burnt out ignition switch.

As for oil, it needs to be checked with engine hot and for extra measure poke a flashlight down the hole. As long as there's oil in the tank you didn't starve the engine, but oil level should be run at the low side of the stick regardless.
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 02:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've seen my oil get low enough to not touch the dipstick and it's never caused an oil pressure light or check engine light.

EcmSpy is your friend in situations like this. Hook it all up and in less than 30 seconds you can know exactly what caused the light.
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Bhillberg
Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I couldn't find anything in the factory service manual that said I could create a jumper. All I could find was that it said use a scanalyzer tool.

Yeah, there was still oil in the tank so I guess I never actually starved it.
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Bhillberg
Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 10:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

actually according the the FSM and the sequence that the service engine soon light is supposed to go through if there is a code. There aren't any codes. But the light DID come on.
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Sloppy
Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 11:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's in there - that's how I diagnosed my problems. Dig a little deeper into the FSM.
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Bhillberg
Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 12:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well I found it in the KV, don't have time to jump it today. I swear that the FSM didn't say anything.
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Akbuell
Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 12:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In my '01 X-1 FSM, the jumper cable, ect is described in the Fuel system section ( Chap 4.6), page 4-11. Hope this helps, Dave
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Bhillberg
Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 03:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok, my apologies, I did find it in the FSM after I found it in the knowledge vault.

I have a code 13 (O2 Sensor). The light goes off though after the 4 seconds and never repeated after the short time it was on originally. I read the FSM advice on checking connection (of course I will do this) and checking the exhaust system to make sure it is not "loose" not allowing it to get a ground (of course I will do this too. Any other ideas? I mean should I go ahead and throw an O2 sensor at it or monitor my performance and mileage to see if it was just a fluke? Any advice is appreciated.
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Kyrocket
Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 03:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Could possibly be your ignition switch and related connector. I sometimes have a brief interruption at the ignition switch connector. It's just like you quickly turned the key off then back on so of course your check engine light will come on then run fine. From the ignition switch, follow the three wires back about 8 to 10 inches and you'll see what I'm talking about. With it running move that connector and see if you can get it to cut out.
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Bhillberg
Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 04:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, that seems pretty logical. I know that sometimes when I turn the ignition on it doesn't come on, and I have to do it a second time. I guess the O2 sensor code could be an old one.
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Sloppy
Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 05:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You have the symptoms of a soon to be dead ignition switch. It can throw ALL sorts of codes.

Do this -

1. order a replacement switch from American Sport Bike or other vendor (Drag Spec. makes a good replacement).

2. review the wiring on how to hot wire the ignition system in case your switch goes out before you put in the new one. It's very simple to do.

Thankfully you found the problem now. Good luck - let us know how it goes!
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Bhillberg
Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 06:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

where do I find the schematic on hot wiring?
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Bhillberg
Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 07:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

switch ordered
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Akbuell
Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 09:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bhillberg: PM sent.
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Bhillberg
Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 09:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

received, thanks
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