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Brinnutz
Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 12:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am wondering what the benefit would be of putting in X1 cams into my M2. I can't remember and search isn't bringing me back anything.

I just remember the main difference beside FI was the cams, and that the power curve was a tad different because of that.

What would it benefit me in installing X1 cams?

and, is $55 for pushrods and x1 cams a good deal?

(I had to ask Matt, LOL)
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Malott442
Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 01:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

no no, it's a good idea to ask. I have no idea what they are worth either. 55 does include shipping...


BTW, to anyone answering the question.... The cams came out of a Millenium (2000) X1 with 18k miles, great shape, and the M2 is a 2002
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P_squared
Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 01:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If I remember correctly, the difference will be an increase in the top end HP with a little loss of torque in the bottom.

YMMV
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Phelan
Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 01:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

$55 shipped is a steal. Most cam sets for stock 1200 sportys like the D cams in my 1200S go for $50-60+shipping. I was under the impression that the M2 had more midrange than the X1, not low end. The X1 did have more top end though.
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P_squared
Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 02:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm going off of memory (suspect at best) and the butt-dyno comparison I did on my '02 X1 and '02 M2 when I had them both.

The X1 had the top end nailed.

The M2 had more 'grunt' off the line.

Never really noticed any butt-dyno difference in the mid-range between the 2.

Again, YMMV, so take my input for what it's worth.
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Brinnutz
Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 02:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So what you're saying is that the X1 cams would be better for overall power then?
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Phelan
Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 02:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I guess it means the M2 cams are more potato potato and X1 cams are more ring ding ding? I think it has more to do with where you shift. Personally I ride more ring ding ding, which is why my 1200S had a drive gear failure at 12,500 miles.

(Message edited by Phelan on December 16, 2008)
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Brinnutz
Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 03:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I shift at high rpms. More beneficial to have x1 cams then?
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Phelan
Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, most likely then.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 04:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Putting X1 cams in your engine would be the best band/buck mod you can have.

You might have to increase the idle speed due to the increased overlap.
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P_squared
Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 04:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you're after cheap HP (and $55 is relativley cheap), then the X1 cams in your M2 is a good deal.

I'd defer to someone else to confirm, but other than the cams, I don't believe there is any significant difference between an '00 X1 motor vs. an '02 M2 motor, as I believe they were both TS heads, etc.

Cams & fueling (FI vs. Carb) were the only major difference that I recall in regards to the motors. Displacement, Bore, Stroke, compression ratio all appear to be the same:
Displacement 1203 cc
Bore & Stroke 3.5 x 3.8 in. /88.8 x 96.8 mm
Compression Ratio 10:1

HP/Torque comparison (Info from http://motoprofi.com/):
’02 M2 - HP/Torque 91 hp @ 6000 rpm; 84.75 ft-lbs @ 4900 rpm

’00 X1 - HP/Torque 95 hp @ 6200 rpm; 85.29 ft-lbs @ 5600 rpm

The peak Torque on the X1 is higher than the M2, but notice the torque on the M2 is deliverd a LOT sooner, thus why it felt like it had more 'grunt' down low.

Again, YMMV, but I don't think it's a bad deal.
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Brinnutz
Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 04:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok, looks like I'll be getting some X1 cams. Thanks y'all.
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Cyclonemick
Posted on Friday, December 19, 2008 - 01:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I did the same thing with my M2 and noticed more hp on the top end, I did not notice that much if any of a loss on the low end but she has been profesionally tuned!
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Skntpig
Posted on Friday, December 19, 2008 - 04:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You are all correct. The big difference from the X1 and M2 are cams and front end. You will notice a nice change if you normally shift at a higher rpm now.
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