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Trackdad
Posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 - 04:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court and Dale,

Alot of nameless names have been bantered about on this tread. It would be nice to know who convinced Wendell! Since I still hold HOG stock and plan to be at the next stockholders meeting I'd like to personally ask a few questions. If you can't list them publicly here please PM me.

Greg
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Moxnix
Posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 - 06:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Really, that's the key. Were I a stock owner and knew how this went down, I might contact the SEC with my gripe and ask for an investigation about watering down company value without a sound reason.
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Court
Posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 - 07:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FINRA and SIPC seem interested in that type of information as well . . . who'd have guessed we had a Buell owner high up in their litigation department ? ?
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Moxnix
Posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 - 10:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, if the Kill Buell gang bought stock after the decision was made and before the announcement, and made a buck, insider trading is a nasty thing.
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Lemonchili_x1
Posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 - 11:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"My hope is that folks ask questions. My fear is that folks (it's beginning to happen in other areas in America) will simply accept the crap that has been handed them and sulk away."
It's not just America either. A lot of people just assume big business can do what it likes.

This is not something we should let fall off the radar : ).
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Vampress
Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 12:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't think anyone has much intention of letting that happen LC.
From Facebook to Myspace, the media, forums and magazines, Buell is getting quite a lot of attention : )
We'll all do what we can to see that keeps happening.
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Jammin_joules
Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 01:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

EICMA: ATK Partners With Hyosung, Plans to Enter Street Market

From DealerNews:
ATK Motorcycles has partnered with S&T Motors, the South Korean maker of Hyosung vehicles. The partnership eventually will produce a small-displacement ATK streetbike to be sold through Harley-Davidson dealers, ATK announced earlier this week at EICMA.

“The goal of the partnership is to strengthen the competitive position of both companies,” an ATK news release stated. “Each company will continue to be run separately, but will work together on several specific cooperative projects involving new product development, distribution, manufacturing and purchasing.”

The press release quoted Taekwon Kim, CEO of S&T Motors, as saying, “I believe this partnership will provide substantial benefits to S&T and ATK and both companies’ dealers, employees, suppliers and shareholders for years to come. We have long admired ATK and are excited about working together to strengthen both companies. S&T can benefit from ATK’s substantial experience in the American motorcycle market and ATK’s presence inside the Harley dealer network.”

ATK CEO Frank White stated, “S&T and ATK complement each other well, and we are very excited about our new relationship. By joining forces, we believe we can strengthen our distribution network, reduce our production costs, spread development costs and substantially accelerate our entry into the streetbike business. We also look forward to sharing some of our off-road technology with S&T. The ATK and S&T management teams should work well together.

“There will be some differentiation between S&T branded products and the ATK-branded products,” White continued. “S&T will send parts from Korea, and we will integrate those with our own American and European parts. These American-Utah-assembled motorcycles will be targeted to be sold through a select group of Harley-Davidson dealers who are looking for a quality smaller-displacement motorcycle to be sold under the U.S. ATK brand name.

“The management at Harley-Davidson knows what we are doing with some of their dealers; however, they do not endorse our activities in any way,”
White added.
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 02:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is either out or will be soon . . . .thank to Lemonchili in Australia . . . interesting stuff.




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Mndwgz
Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 02:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Exhaust in swingarm; but Erik had to use that space for an oil tank. That's thinking outside of a seven sided box.
So where and when might we see larger shots of these renderings?
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 02:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hard to read that... not because its small but because of what could have been...
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Moxnix
Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 02:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

-determination and belief in himself

-loyal customer base

-the envy of many of his rivals.

-a fairy tale that deserves a happy ending

-Not only Buell fans will be hoping that it gets one.

Amen.
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Swordsman
Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 03:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Seriously, H-D simply can't walk away from this in a good light. And as time rolls on, it's getting worse. The only ones who are going to believe them are the ones who already bought into the lifestyle.

~SM
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Lemonchili_x1
Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"This is either out or will be soon "
Current issue of AMCN, came out last wednesday or thursday I think.

"FINRA and SIPC seem interested in that type of information as well . . . who'd have guessed we had a Buell owner high up in their litigation department ? ?"
Very cool. Not the kind of people who will swallow a press release on face value.

(Message edited by lemonchili_x1 on November 17, 2009)
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Buewulf
Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 05:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It really is too bad. Buell was finally on the verge of breaking out with bikes that had greater market appeal while still being unique. I like Streetfighter 2.
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Jammin_joules
Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 11:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"The only ones who are going to believe them are the ones who already bought into the lifestyle. "

You mean the average of 300,000 per year the last five or more years, and over 1,000,000 HOG members world wide?

Other than them, I guess no one really.
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Rpm4x4
Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 11:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Seriously, H-D simply can't walk away from this in a good light. And as time rolls on, it's getting worse. The only ones who are going to believe them are the ones who already bought into the lifestyle.

From what Ive seen those already "bought into the lifestyle" are not believing them either.

(Message edited by rpm4x4 on November 17, 2009)
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Swordsman
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 01:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes yes Joules, we know H-D is AWESOME. Now, how many other people ride motorcycles worldwide, since you like statistics?

~SM
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 02:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Because they killed the ULY in Auz before they killed Buell.... the Rooster is absent from the article ?

B@stards
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Lemonchili_x1
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 08:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The article is by Alan Cathcart, and I think it's mainly a rehash of an interview/article/history from around the time of the 1125R release, then updated for the recent news, and then edited for/by AMCN. If I remember correctly the Rooster only got mentioned in the Aus press when it was announced that it was being cancelled : (

Note the second last paragraph in the first column - "The significant development costs for this [the Helicon engine] were shouldered entirely by the Buell company out of the profits derived from building 12,000 bikes a year...". I've also read a quote from Erik in another article that he was proud of how the Helicon was internally funded.
Doesn't this illustrate that Buell must have been reasonably profitable for a few years as they were able to internally fund the Helicon? (And the 1125RR, and the Barracuda?)

(Message edited by lemonchili_x1 on November 18, 2009)
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Buewulf
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 11:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"The significant development costs for this [the Helicon engine] were shouldered entirely by the Buell company out of the profits derived from building 12,000 bikes a year...".

Didn't know that. Interesting. Of course much of that stuff is smoke and mirrors, but it certainly implies that Buell's opinc could cover their R&D.
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm betting the deal . . . . was something like . . . you want it . . you fund it.

Remember HD makes engines.

I'd bet there were 4 or 5 folks who were convinced, when Erik set out to build his 20 year old motor design, it'd be the death of Buell.

Then then damn thing exceeds expectations . . . wins a championship and makes a credible showing in Supersport.

That . . I'd wager . . . really pissed some folks off.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think we have a pretty good idea what our new Riders Edge bikes are going to be....
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Svh
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good point Wolfy. Never even considered that. Maybe the Blast is truly dead after 2010 not going to be rebadged as Harley or just Blast
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 04:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

if anything needs to be dropped in a parking lot, it would be the Hyo's.
Every one I have seen locally has been plagued with general quality and runability issues.

Now when are the ATKs start to hit the floor? think they will be in this years motorcycle show ?.... taking up space at the Harley booth?
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Buewulf
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 04:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That . . I'd wager . . . really pissed some folks off.

Corporate politics can be a nasty thing, indeed.
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Midknyte
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 05:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Now when are the ATKs start to hit the floor? think they will be in this years motorcycle show ?.... taking up space at the Harley booth?

No. It was clearly stated in the article that it is a relationship between a few select dealerships at the dealership level, just like some choose to sell scooters too.
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Midknyte
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 05:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd bet there were 4 or 5 folks who were convinced, when Erik set out to build his 20 year old motor design, it'd be the death of Buell.

I figured/feared, back when it came out, that it might lead to trouble.
I was hoping that continued use of the Thunderstorm engine in the XB's would be sufficient common ground.
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