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Tripper
Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2001 - 06:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

24b-1) Remove spark plugs (allows easier bumping of engine by turning rear wheel ((must be in air of course!)))
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Aaron
Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2001 - 07:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Like I said, everyone has their own little things.

But I'm right and Blake's wrong
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2001 - 08:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Who said my thing was little??!!! She's a damn liar!!
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Hogluvr
Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2001 - 08:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK, upon further inspection I found a little damage to the inside of my primary cover as a result of the broken tensioner...

damage

You can see where the loose chain ground against the bolthole bosses in three or four places. Does anyone think this is cause for concern? It didn't grind all the way through, so leaking isn't a problem, but I'm worried about the structural integrity of the primary cover. Am I being paranoid? Or is the cover trash? Any input, like always, is GREATLY appreciated...

Mike
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Hogluvr
Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2001 - 08:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Geez, sorry, that pic came out HUGE!!

Fixed it for ya. Blake :)
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Peter
Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2001 - 08:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mike,
If it's not leaking, then I'd think you're fairly safe.
Pete
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Court
Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2001 - 09:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thank you guys. Printed and in the manual for when time permits.

Again....thanks.

Court (whocouldcarelesshowbiglblakesis)
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2001 - 10:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well mine is around 11" or 8" depending on how you measure it. You were talking about my service manual right?
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Reepicheep
Posted on Monday, August 06, 2001 - 09:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mike...

Looks just like mine. None of the wear appears to be in structural areas, I am not worried about it.

Might cause some leaks if it got all the way through to where the bolt goes through, but even that could probably be addressed with some RTV installed with the bolt.

Bill
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Peter
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 04:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've just put a new bit in to try....
1.

...and it looks like I've also had a loose chain at some point.
2

Hans,
I think you bought your bike not long after I bought mine? I put a new one in yesterday while I had it apart. From 1/8" to 1/4" in thickness. It might pay to check yours, although my 'old' one was in near perfect condition, and you've seen how it gets ridden.
3

PPiA
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Rippin
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 08:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pete,
Would that happen to be a Fisher Dampner or another brand? And how well did it make a diff?
Thanks Ryan
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Leeaw
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 09:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Damn,

Why didn't they change my chain tensioner when the case was apart and I asked. I was told there was no need, but now I see pics and it looks like a smart simple upgrade
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Aaron
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 09:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Because not every tech is well-informed on Buell issues. Assuming that they are can be risky.
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Peter
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 10:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rippin,
Yes it is a Fisher. I don't know if it makes any difference yet as I'm still doing some other things on the bike. Charley (Marcel) has been given one to test, but his bike is down at the moment, so we're trying it on mine.
PPiA
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Rocketman
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 12:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey ••••, I like the way you carefully "posed" those Snap-On tools you begged from Australia.

Those plier wrenches (part # ADP 10) you carry around in the Beemer tool kit are excellent. I got 'em as soon as I got back from Croix but I had to pay for mine.

Rocket in England
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Peter
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Whinging Pommy ••••,
When you are a Snap-On dealer, the only way you get tools out of the company is to pay for them. Every single one of those came out of my pocket. The only difference was, I got them at dealer price instead of retail. Naturally, I bought while I could.
I hope the plane flies really, really high ••••......
PPiA
PS. It's gunna cost ya to stay here before we go Stateside. I want one of those Highly Dangerous Mother •••• er t'shirts. I'll pay for it, you just have to bring it. The XL in the Team Elves shirt is a good size. Thanks ••••.
PPS. Have you got your flight details for arrival in Hamsterdam yet? E'mail me them if you have and I'll see if I can pick you up.
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Hans
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 02:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Peter, Nice pics and thanks for the info: Yeah, best proof that also early 2000 models have the old tensioner.
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Rippin
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 02:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pete, Keep me post on the dampner. Thanks Ryan
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Rocketman
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 08:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pick me up •••• ! You ••••••• better !

As for the T shirt, like it sez, you have to be a "highly dangerous mf", and somehow I don't think you fit the bill :)

Rocket in England
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Peter
Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2001 - 05:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Then enjoy your overnight stay in the gutter ••••....
PPiA
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Tripper
Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2001 - 12:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

CAUTION WILL ROBINSON:

In Aaron's post dated Sunday, August 05, 2001 - 01:30 pm there was a typo of the p/n of the new primary chain tensioner (now corrected). The correct p/n is 39975-90A.

JOE MARRIOTT are you reading this - please correct your article in the X1 Files.

off to apologize to 5 local dealers for calling them idiots...
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Aaron
Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2001 - 01:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oops! Sorry ...
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Hans
Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2001 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Tripper, I just planned to fax the parts list to my dealer.

Rocketman, Never listen to blackmail. Did somebody not tell you that our dogs at the customs are trained on the smell of HDMF shirts?
You are here welcome for bread and breakfast on the only condition that you NOT bring that horrible HDMF shirt into our country.

Hans.
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Peter
Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2001 - 04:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hans,
Get back under your rock. I want a shirt.
PPiA
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Hans
Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2001 - 06:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

PPiA, Well, well, becoming impertinent. Now it is over: no HDMF shirt for you even if you promise to use it only riding on your Beemer through the red light district. Can`t possibly allow you to wear it on world`s best bike.
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Tripper
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2001 - 12:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Things run in batches, and this weeks batches are guys buying Suzi TL's and primary chain tensioners disintegrating.

For that guy keeping score, my tensioner went out last night. 20K miles on a 98 S1.

It stopped me from engaging fifth gear, I downshifted to 3rd then it allowed me to go into 4th, then high. Surging on steady throttle, no chain slapping noise, and it got me home. Today I went to the dealer and got the new tensioner, opened it up and it was busted. A large piece of plastic did not come out and is hiding within the transmission somewhere. Though I didn't hear it the chain took large bites out of the cover.

I'm learning more about this bike than I need to know but theres still nothing else like it for rewarding street driving. Gonna have to get a Firebolt as a daily driver and just bring the S1 out for noisy hooliganism.
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Sem1
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2001 - 02:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Guys,
Thank you for the early warning; here is how my old primary chain tensioner looked like when I took it out today to replace it with the 2001 part:
tensioner sidetensioner apart
The whole thing was held together by the plastic part -- an accident waiting to happen!

The bike is a '98 S1W with 7400 miles. Bought it a month ago and had to fix several things in rapid succession (jetting, leaking fork seal, brake pads, leaking rocker boxes). The primary chain tensioner was the last problem I am aware of...knock knock (the sound of wood). Sweet! I feel like I am having an affair with my S1W. ;-)

Semi
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Tripper
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2001 - 09:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That is exactly how mine failed. One half of the metal went straight to the bottom, unfortunately one end of the plastic that wraps around is missing. Removing the transmission today to locate it.
Off to sears for some big sockets
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Tripper
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2001 - 12:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hogluvers Picture Where did you find the plastic end that is broken off?

Anyone: How do I stop the engine from turning to remove the huge nuts on the clutch basket, clutch sprocket and engine sprocket? Shove something in the gears?
Off to the archives again.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2001 - 01:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tripper... yup. There is a Harley "tool" for it that is simply an aluminum bar with chamfers on either end.

I had some old aluminum U shaped rail from a closet door I pulled out, and smashed it flat and used that. Took a couple tries to get the size right, but it worked fine. It will deform significantly from teh sprocket teeth (which I guess is good, as better the bar then the teeth).

Bill
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