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Daves
| | Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 06:58 am: | 
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03bolt
If it's the same price as the plastics have been it'll run you about 700.00 for a complete set. Call me and I can get you an exact $$
I'll get you on the list for the pucks too.
Thanks
1-866-757-1651
Dave
Bud,
I'll check my mail when I get to work today and get back to you. |
Wyckedflesh
| | Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 07:20 am: |
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DaveS how about the new 9SX seat? Will it fit the stock S tails? And if so how much? (I want a set of pucks but am short on cash right now so I will have to wait) |
Daves
| | Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 07:28 am: |
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It should fit,I'll get a price for you when I get to work.
Dave |
Stealthxb
| | Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 07:45 pm: |
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Daves...
Any idea when the pucks will be in the hands of the postal service? |
Daves
| | Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 09:28 pm: |
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Wyked,
The seat will fit. List price is 98.95 before Badweb discount.
I "should" have some frame pucks next week.
Dave |
Steve_a
| | Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 06:16 pm: |
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Just got back from the Harley/Buell dealer show/press intro, so some information (that may well be posted elsewhere.)
The optional frame pucks are composite, a plastic surface with a crushable foam backing, much like a helmet liner. The idea is to absorb energy to prevent frame denting. A self-adhesive layer holds them to the frame. Like a helmet, they're designed for one good impact; replace the puck if you drop the bike hard on one. At one time these might have been standard on the City X, but they decided to wait to see how well they were received as an accessory.
I was told that ALL City X parts will interchange with bodywork of other XB Lightings. I rode one briefly, and liked both the seat and the handguards. It's definitely an image bike, and the transparent body work looks far cooler in life than in photographs. I think it's a very natural evolution of the Lighting, taking it further down a supermotard style and performance road it was already on. I didn't see it discussed much, but the price points on both 9 City X and Firebolts are excellent at $8600; the reduction, according to Erik and XB platform manager Tony Stefannelli (sp?) is allowed by tooling amortization costs dropping as production has increased and from increased productivity as they've learned to build the bikes more efficiently. A lot of that is really hidden stuff, such as getting the wheel reject rate down (paint issues) or finding much better AND cheaper casting suppliers than the local Italian ones Verlicchi originally used on the frame. That's the interesting thing about some motorcycle/automotive suppliers -- the ones that do things like castings really, really well often also prove to be the least expensive.
And, BTW, Erik very much indicated that the basic XB structure is proving superb for derivatives, and that the line will continue to expand. I listened to one of his better German dealers (who single handedly outsells any two shops in the US) strongly advocate to Erik that the Firebolt needed to be sportier and harder edged for his market. I'm quite sure that the future will hold a wider range of Buell models. The City X needs to be seen in the context of an expanding range, not as some final statement on XB development that prevented the bike you wanted from being built.
More on the tire and fork changes, and their effect on handling later. |
Hippo888
| | Posted on Sunday, July 18, 2004 - 11:21 am: |
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Steve_a,
I definitely want to know more about the fork changes. I had a XB9S and could never get used to the continual understeer that bike suffered in turns.
If Buell can make the XB series steer more neutrally, I'd buy another one immediately.
Paul in MI |
Noface
| | Posted on Sunday, July 18, 2004 - 05:59 pm: |
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Understeer?
I've ridden this thing hard for two years w/over 18k miles and never noticed this.
Bend your arms, lean up to kiss the mirrors and drag a knee (if you want). It goes where you point it every time.
I don't get it  |
Rocketsprink
| | Posted on Sunday, July 18, 2004 - 06:08 pm: |
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Daves, what are we talking about as far as turn around time for those pucks. Heading to the Dragon on the 4th of August, and need them by then! Do you have enough on hand and what would it cost to ship them down to Kenosha. No rip on Uke's but the don't have CRAP for stock when it comes to Buells. Thanks! |
Daves
| | Posted on Sunday, July 18, 2004 - 07:20 pm: |
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Call me Tuesday.
I'm "supposed" to get some of the initial stock they had on hand.
Dave
1-866-757-1651
ask for Dave in the sales Dept! |
Gearhead
| | Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 08:32 pm: |
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Dave, don't forget me!!
If I could get them before the August 10th track day, that would be great!!
Ralph |
Hippo888
| | Posted on Friday, July 23, 2004 - 06:24 pm: |
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Noface,
Here's what Motorcycle Online had to say about the understeer:
"the Buell does steer a bit heavier than you'd expect, and it does have a bit more self-righting tendency than most, ie., you need to "hold it down" in turns. Naturally, I have a theory as to why that is, but we haven't gotten round to investigating it yet. We know one thing that causes that sort of behavior is the difference in width between a motorcycle's rear tire and its front. The Buell rides on a 120mm-wide front tire and a 180mm rear--like many current sportbikes--but could the fact that its contact patches are fully two inches closer together than the next shortest sportbike (Yamaha R6) exacerbate that tendency to stand up? I wouldn't be surprised if a 170 rear alleviated the Buell's heavy steering. (And once again, to me it's not even a problem. It's a thing I can feel which doesn't really bother me. Other riders are off-put by it.)"*
Whatever causes it, I noticed it. Every other bike I've ever ridden steers neutrally (or oversteers) once leaned over into a turn. With the XB, you have to constantly add input to hold a line.
I have a feeling it's the front suspension. As you add rake and trail to the front (raise the forks in the triple trees), this understeering disapeared. Unfortunately, that also took weight off the front end making it feel kind of vague.
Maybe if Buell added some more rake and trail and 2" to the rear swingarm (which would put even more weight forwards) it would steer more neutrally.
I'd get another XB immediately if they changed the understeering.
Paul in MI
*see: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mccompare/02xb900.motml
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Henrik
| | Posted on Friday, July 23, 2004 - 09:20 pm: |
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As you add rake and trail to the front (raise the forks in the triple trees)
I may be splitting hairs here, but if you raise the forks you'll lower the triple trees and decrease rake and trail, while adding weight to the front end.
Maybe you meant that you lowered the forks, i.e. there is now less fork protruding above the top triple??
Henrik |
Hippo888
| | Posted on Saturday, July 24, 2004 - 10:50 am: |
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Hmm... lost my post somewhere...
Henrik,
Sorry, that's what I meant.
I was reading Tony Foale's book (Motorcycle Handling and Chasis Design) and he notes that extremely small figures of trail cause a "self-centering" effect in steering. This matches my observations that lowering the forks in the triple trees gets rid of the understeer.
Paul in MI
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