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Teddagreek
Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 09:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I love my bike but I don’t think Buell gets a fairs shake from the media and other bikers because of that. I was hoping for something great for 07, Yea that didn’t happen.

I look at Ducati that offers the “Monster” with a Variety of VTwin motors and 6 speed. What gives how can such a small company “Compared to Harley” do this? Yea they cost more but Buells aren’t exactly cheap either.

I’m just Venting I love my Lump with the agricultural transmission.

Just sick of crap time for a ride that will cheer me up…
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Eboos
Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 10:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One one side of the argument, Buell is not Harley. Buell is it's own seperate and small company that is owned by Harley.

On the other side, my wishes for the future of Buell are well documented here. However, I am not on the board of directors, so my voice is only as strong as the size of my wallet.
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Old_man
Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 11:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One way of looking at it is that it goes to keeping our bikes from being obsolete.
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Rubdoggy
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 01:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yeah,

i was in the market for a new model buell but, nothing new this year. so, i just got a rc51 w/ sato pipes n' stuff. loud, fast, n' full o' torque. its a bit more of a bike but, i wanted that i guess. my next bike should be much more mellow unless buell has a real exciting new firebolt model.

anyone wanna buy a stock white '03 bolt?
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Teddagreek
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 03:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nothing like getting on the bike and going..Almost 200 miles

Buell is its own company I whole-heartedly agree. I don't know the inner workings of Buell and the corporate structure and how much influence HDI has on their design.

This is only speculation on my part but come on I just get the feeling Harleys doesn’t want to be shown up by Buell. Engine size, HP etc… Who knows how much Harley actually dictates to Buell?
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Eboos
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 08:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"I just get the feeling Harleys doesn’t want to be shown up by Buell"

The sad part (if that is what is happening, but I don't think it is) is that Buell is a totally different animal. With the proper marketing, and actual dealer support, Buell should be increasing the foot traffic into a Harley dealership. If there is an issue of profit per unit, that should be able to be made up for in volume. Ask Daves if he is having a problem with profitability.

I truely believe that 90% of Buell's problems could be solved by dealer training and accountability. Buell makes a quality product, but their reputation is being destroyed by an unmotivated dealership network.
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Darkducati
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 08:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They're IMO not unmotivated, they just don't like you. Or me. They are Harley people for the most part and Harley people are not Buell people. Yes there are exceptions in both the owners and the dealers but for the most part I am right. I have no interest in Harleys. I do have interest in ripping through the mountains and any back road I can get my hands on. Harley people don't get that. For Buell to thrive it will need it's own dealer network staffed by Buell enthusiasts that love these bikes as much as we do. It would be nice for a tech or service adviser that wouldn't rather cut their arm off before working on a Buell too. When was the last time you walked into a Ducati/Yamaha/Triumph/etc dealer and heard the sales staff tell you the bikes were a piece of shit?
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Bueaddicted
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 08:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My .02 worth, I'm not disappointed with the '07 models. I know this is my first Buell ever, but I'm loving it each time I go out riding. Yes, I do keep trying to change into 6th gear (used to previous bikes I owned), but I'm just plain amazed at all the torque available. I think in the next couple of years Buell will be coming out with something more radical, and when that happens, I'll be the first in line to purchase it.

I do agree with Eboos, but there are exceptions with dealers. There are some dealers that understand what Buells' are, and what needs to be done.
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Southern Marine
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 09:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They've been saying it since they released the XB's and they will continue to say it. One of the BIGGEST changes everyone want's to see is a sport tourer. The Uly is a great bike, but it's not for everyone. As for me, I love the cherry bomb look, just wish they made it for the R.
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Bake
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 09:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When you start off with the Buell how do you top it without costs going through the roof?

Look at any other motorcycle manufacturer and there are not ground breaking change every year. They tend to build something good then refine it over the years, exactly what Buell is doing!

My guess is they put more effort towards the RR last year which will benefit us in the comming years.
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Brucelee
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 09:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A six gear OD would have been nice. The motor can certainly pull the gear and it would make 80 MPH more relaxed.

A sport tourer would be veyr nice indeed!

I would also like to see a nicer header pipe from the factory. I jet hoted mine and it looks great.

Is it time for a lighter motor and trans?

I think so.

I do like that new Cherry Bomb color though.

Lastly, any none SS hardware needs to be nixed. I live by the coast and have replaced a ton of rusting bolts, fastners etc.
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Fastfxrs
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 10:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Darkducati, I'm Harley people! Bought my first Buell in FEB. of '06, a Uly and have put 12,000 mi. on it so far. Its a great bike despite the many warranty issues its had, and is an awesome back for "ripping through the mountains and any back road I can get my hands on", like you said. But I've done that on every Harley I've owned. All of them put a smile on my face. My dealership treats me like a valued customer. My fellow HOG chapter members gave me some friendly ribbing at first, but I expected that. I get lots of questions about the bike from long time harley riders and riders of other brands that would have never considered even looking at a Buell. Some have ridden it and are considering one for their next bike. As for service, it has been awesome. My dealership may not be the most knowledgeable one on Buells, but they stand behind the product they sell, just like any H-D. I'm glad Buell is part of the Mothership. I don't feel like I bought the redheaded step child of the fleet. As for sales staff telling customers that Buells are a piece of Sh-t, I guess I would mention that to the owner(unless he is in on it too). I don't know of too many multi-brand dealerships that aren't biased toward one of the brands they sell,ie the most profitable one. Just wanted to let you know there are some happy Buell riding Harley people out there.
Tim
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Teddagreek
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 11:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)




HD OWN THE CORNERS Or Something Like that
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Pwnzor
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 11:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

More like HOG the corners, ROFL
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Darkducati
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 02:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tim, that's why I mentioned there are exceptions to both dealers and owners. I have no problem with a Harley dealer that wants to be a Buell dealer. I just think the Harley franchise should not be a requirement to obtain a Buell franchise as I believe it is holding the company back in most cases.
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Brad_buell
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 02:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's getting tougher for me to stay with Buell as dealers slowly fade away in Michigan. I know that they are "Re-organizing", but when will it stop? There are very few Buell dealers left in Michigan. I want to stick with Buell, but do I want to haul my bike 250 miles to get serviced?

BTW-When was the last time the Buell Dealer locator was updated on the Buell web site? Maybe Court can find out the answer to that question.
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Tunes
Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 11:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pwnzor - Good one!!!
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Buellshyter
Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

HD dealerships are awarded to potential owners. They are gold mines and as such, have great desirability. HD is not begging people to open up a franchise. Therefore, the power lies with corporate. HD needs to do some soul searching and ask themselves why they bought Buell in the first place. If it was to make money then what HD needs is a corporate ass kicker to roam the countryside with sword in hand and lob off some heads. In my humble opinion, the cart is pulling the horse. If dealers don't want to get with the program and support all of HD's products then there ought to be consequences. This topic has been discussed ad nauseam and Buell dealerships continue to disappear. It's not enough to have a handful of loyal dealers spread out across the country, inaccessible to most. Another solution, as has been previously suggested, is to allow non-HD dealers to sell Buells in areas not currently being served by HD dealerships. Whatever the solution is, the continuing reports of HD dealers dropping the Buell line or relegating it to the storage shed is disturbing and is no way to inspire confidence or grow a company.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've been waiting for the right time to use that one
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Eboos
Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 11:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

More like HOG the corners

Ha ha, that reminds me of that video at deals gap where some people were filming in a SUV (or something) and a couple of Harleys passed them, and one of them went right into a ditch. That guy better own that corner, he sure paid for it.
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Daves
Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 12:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

HOG the corners!
Bwahahahahahahahaha
That is a classic
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Js_buell
Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 08:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here in Canada there was a kind of buell only dealer when we had deeleys house of buell but for some reason the changed that cpl years ago to incorporate it to trev deeley h-d.
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