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Streetfightercityx
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 10:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hypothetical question:

If I were to buy a race ECM and put it on my bike and NOT adjust my throttle sensor, is this going to cause a problem?

On buell.com it states that you have to make and adjustment to you throttle sensor if you buy the race ECM. So I want to make sure I'm not going to hurt me or my bike.
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Diablobrian
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 10:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It NEEDS to be done for your bike to run right. You have about a 25% chance it won't run at all until the tps is reset.
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Streetfightercityx
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks,

that's what I needed to know.
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Diablobrian
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No problem.

You will also need to run your bike at around 3500 rpms for 10 minutes or so to get the ECM to adjust the AFV for your bike.

Then it will run the way it was meant to run.
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Buellxb1203r
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 11:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just to add to this, I put my bike together this past weekend with a race ecm and D and D. It will run but not all that good. At idle it was fine. The adjustment is a must. Took it to the HD dealer, 34 dollars later it was fine......
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Streetfightercityx
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 12:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's why I pissed right now. The only Buell shop in my close vicinity wants $200 to install it. That's a $400 mod and it sounds like I'm being taken OR Gail's made a mistake in quoting the install price.
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Buellxb1203r
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The ECM is easy to install yourself, just have a dealer adjust the TPS
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Glitch
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 12:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ride to Gail's.
Install ECM.
Push bike to Service.
Have them re-set the ECM.
They can only charge re-set fee.
Around $35 or so.
The install is a piece of cake.
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Streetfightercityx
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 12:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just talked to them again. They "have to put it on a dyno and run it for 2 hours to know how to set it and the TPS."

Popping of the stock ECM and placing the new one is something I'm happy to do. But getting them to set it for less than $200 seems to be the hard part.
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Buellxb1203r
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 12:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

you maybe talking to someone that doen't really understand what needs to be done...
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Glitch
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 12:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"have to put it on a dyno and run it for 2 hours to know how to set it and the TPS."
WHAT!?
You bought a Buell Race ECM?
Or did you buy something else like a PC3?
A Buell Race ECM only needs the scan tool, to zero out the TPS, that's it, no dyno.
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Sgthigg
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 12:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Just talked to them again. They "have to put it on a dyno and run it for 2 hours to know how to set it and the TPS."

NOt for an ecm swap. Its litteraly a 2 min job. I takes more to let the bike warm up.
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Streetfightercityx
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 12:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm really frustrated at this point.

Yes, I am buying a Buell OEM Race ECM from Dave (Appleton HD/Buell). No third party mystery part here.

I called back to Gails a third time, even talked with someone else, and they verified that they understand what they want me to do and stuck with their quote.

I'm honestly not a techie guy, but I'm not an idiot.

I'm calling another dealer within 90 miles to see what they will do.
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Glitch
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm calling another dealer within 90 miles to see what they will do.
That's what I'd do.
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Old_man
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 12:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It sounds like the dealer doesn't know what he is doing or that he's trying to rip you. Either way, I'd find another dealer.
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Diablobrian
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sounds like they either don't know what they are talking about, or they are trying to take you for a ride.

I would definitely go to a different dealer, one that knows Buells.
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Aeholton
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 01:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anyone in KS with VDSTS? Someone help this guy out. This dealer is trying to take him for a ride. If you were closer to FL, I'd reset it for you for free.
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Typeone
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 01:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

wow. that's sad. 200 bones is ridiculous. ive had dealers do it for FREE because its so easy.
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Streetfightercityx
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 02:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Those last two posts hurt. They really hurt.

Thanks for the offer Aeholton. Maybe I'll just ride down for a visit...

Typeone, that's just cruel...
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Typeone
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 02:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

eeks, i'm not being cruel ;) just tryin' to save you some cash. i would call the dealer out on it.

you can install the ECM in the parking lot no sweat, hand over the bike, they re-calibrate. done!

the times i've been charged i dont think it was more than like $35.
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Rhun
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 02:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

topeka HD 785.234.6174
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Nateman
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 03:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I installed the Buell Race ECM in Gail's parking lot about a month ago and had them reset the TPS. I don't have the receipt handy, but I think it was around $40 (I don't remember exactly, because I had a bunch of other work done, too). Somebody there ought to know what's going on. I've only had my bike there a couple of times, but they've done good work for me.
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Bake
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 11:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd forget Gails! Did you buy it from them?
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Phantom5oh
Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 12:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For $200, just buy the VDSTS from DaveS or Al at American Sport Bike. Then you can do the reset and services yourself. All you'll need is a computer and the service manual.
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Txfatcat
Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 03:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

you realy dont even need the service manual. all the information comes on the cd with the kit when you buy it in a pdf format. I would do it for you if you were closer to Houston TX.

Dont waste any more time jacking with the dealer. Just call DaveS or Al and they can get you straight. They will also provide a whole lot of help if you get stuck as will most of the people on this board. Trust me....you wont be dissapointed.
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Barker
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dealer installed ECM HORROR STORY!

My dealer intalled/falshed ecm. I drove my XB9R in with out the faring on to save on labor costs. the tech left a few bolts out when he put my headlight/instrument assymbly back on. It fell off going down the road.
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